What do You think about Brexit concequences?

[Bellydancerbynight]

Is it bad for our nation ?
Or good?
As we all know since last month.. the Value of Pound Sterling is going down.

Sorry my brother has worked for many multinational companies all over the world, including Iraq, been in Saudi for many years now, he has never used KSA or ROI and none of his co workers do, i just messaged him!

Can you post the message?

The purpose is a general ink-cloud of obfuscation

Yes, this is a very accurate observation.

I posted previously that he should be ignored. He is deliberately trying to derail discussions.

Nothing would irritate him more - but then he will just reappear in another persona and try to derail again. and then we should just ignore him again

No, don't be ridiculous, that would be a gross invasion of his privacy.

You either believe me or you don't, regardless, you really don't matter that much to me lol!

His company took tax from his basic pay, bonuses and expenses were paid in US $, offshore and not taxable, it was about 6 years ago, so things may have changed

If your brother was working for a US Company he may have been subject to federal tax or the so called Hypothetical Tax that US companies deducted to cover in country taxes when Expats worked outside the US.

US, like Australia, charges tax on Citizenship regardless if the person is overseas.

OK so nosey12345 is a US citizen. Good to know that he or she is so invested in Brexit. No doubt seeking to benefit from the UK firesale.

OK so nosey12345 is a US citizen

Where does that conclusion come from? I am UK Citizen with UK Passport.

Your posts and the timing thereof. Still one who doesn't live in the UK by the sound of it.

Still one who doesn't live in the UK by the sound of it

I work outside the UK. Family lives in the UK.

UK citizens working for US companies? why would he be filling out a US tax return!

My gran used to have a saying "You only need to em time" in your case not long at all before you make an arse of yourself.

°UK citizens working for US companies°

Why not? I have several friends who have worked for;

ExxonMobil
Chevron
Halliburton

I have worked in US for US company Westinghouse. I was there long enough to be resident and had to complete the 1040 forms

More flannel to divert from the continuity error made re living in the RoI.

You would have to have been resident in the USA and classed as an Alien .... quite apt lol!

Alien . So much more down to earth than Expat, or common or garden Immigrant.

ROI makes sense in the context of Ireland to differentiate between the ROI and NI. It makes not a jot of sense in relation to Iraq, four letters versus fine? Why would you bother? Abbreviations are supposed to help not hinder.

In other news, had a known Brexit would mean a smaller royal family I would have been all in favour!

@NosyBe2006 half my family live in the US but I don't pretend to tell them what to do or how to vote.

bellini - your tenacity is admirable in trying to push forward WA and in that way you are very like TM. I too wished it had passed HP on the first round just to have avoided THIS. I too crumpled as much as TM when Cox described that the WA did 'tie' the UK in to the EU with far less 'rights' than the UK would have if they remained in the EU or 'left on other terms'.

I still hoped through Votes 2 and 3 that it would pass through HP and that the UK would 'negotiate' it's way out of the 'ties'. But that didn't happen, and in retrospect, I can see that WA was too flawed and relied on too many 'hopes' to pass.

There really has to be a different and new approach to this - I might suggest but I lay no claim to knowing what this is.

For your own sanity, you have tried to do what you can but anything more that you do won't help the situation.

So please put all your 'massive' into thinking of another way through; perhaps a way that disregards the he said, she said, I am, they are, I think, I know what they think, so therefore I know.

@HateIsNotGood , I'm not trying to push WA. I'm trying to push a version that hasn't ever been tested in Parliament. That is, the NI only backstop. We leave the customs union and the single market blah blah blah but NI doesn't.
That has never been through Parliament. Border in the sea, stick some Freeport bollocks in NI (Johnson loves Freeports) and we are out. I don't want to leave but I would rather that option than No Deal.

There really has to be a different and new approach to this - I might suggest but I lay no claim to knowing what this is

U.K. needs to have a long hard think about what it wants and above all to be honest about trade offs.

It is not very complicated. We're in this mess because people - Johnson and Gove in particular, as heads of Vote.Leave - promised all things to all people in a highly dishonest way. Now the chickens are coming home to roost, and some of them are about to discover that they are on the menu.

Brexiters have failed to understand that there is a direct trade off between market access and "sovereignty": the freer the trade, the more pooling of sovereignty between nations is required (customs unions, harmonisation of standards, mutual recognition etc).

It is possible to have a genuine discussion about what the correct balance between these two competing objectives (free trade vs sovereignty) might be. The problem is that very few leavers are even prepared to acknowledge that this trade off even exists.

Bellini - I think I understand what you are describing and theoretically it appears a good idea and probably if I 'sat' in a place that decided upon it I'd be saying "let's give this a good look"; but it is a bit of a WA v4.

As, at the very least you and I realize, there is more to this than drawing lines on maps and like it or not, emotions are involved - the kind that are deep-seated and dependent on religion, politics, family, history, etc. Now it is easy for me to say that religion, politics, etc are not important but I recognize that other people think they are.

My starting point would be to agree on the similarities, which I do believe there are more of between all people than differences and then build on that. So what if the UK leaves the EU? In the grand scheme of things it's really quite a small thing.

There really has to be a different and new approach to this - I might suggest but I lay no claim to knowing what this is

I was chatting to a long time leaver i used to work with recent, we came up with the compromise of postponing brexit for 5 years (in law) and deciding how we leave during this period & negotiate our exit from the EU afresh with no red lines.
Should there be a GE during this period in which a pro-remain party wins, we cancel the whole thing.

We both ended our conversation with "that's the common sense solution, so wont happen"

And thank you for your observation Misti, I'm sure you think it's helpful but it does rather exude that you think you know how other people think and ergo what they realize or "fail to realize".

It appears the 'inevitable' same old, same old is on course - time for me to get back to work (Putin, Cummins and Trump pay me to post on MN dontcha know). Anyway, my 'olive branches' are always here.

Market access should have never been tied to ever closer ties. Had we remained as trading partners we would all, be flourishing. Ie all the eu states. Each state could have got what it needed rather than everything foisted on everyone.

How many lessons from the history do we need, don't force large groups of people to un democratically do anything!!

70-80% wont feel much of a difference day to day, week to week, but as soon as someone is affected it will be blown out of proportion.

Jas, it can't happen when parliament is remain.

People have lost faith. Unfortunately because there was no coming together for the best brexit, there is now a scrambled rush to the end. If people trusted and believed the mps then sure, take all the time to get it right but quite rightly, trust is gone.