Why do rich people want no deal/ to leave the EU

[Jimjamjooney]

I'm not looking to start an argument. I didn't vote in the referendum as I was unsure of which option was for the best and struggle to get my head around everything tbh.

I am aware of the stereotypical reasons some people voted leave (immigration etc.) but I also know lots of well off people who want to leave/ remainers that have changed their minds.

Why do some wealthier people actively want Brexit?

i know lots of comfortably off brexiteers, not that many well educated ones.

some no dealbrexit type fella is on twitter this morning: @StanleyisWhite (yup) causing great hilarity with his thick 'fuck academics and scientists, they didnt help us win the war etc.

I do appreciate baby boomers were more likely to vote for Brexit but some of us didn’t and appreciated what the EU could do.

Why do we now think we are a superior nation and want to pull up the drawbridge? What’s wrong with working with others? We mostly make our own laws, rule in our own court cases (and win the vast majority that go to the EU courts) and have a sovereign parliament. We are now going to be alone and truly “Little” Britain. Being on the outside looking in is never great and I remember it in the 1960s. We were desperate to join the EU. We wanted to bring our views to the table and be listened to. Our industry was poor back then and we have improved so much by collaborating with others. Yes, there are things we don’t like but that was never a good enough reason to Leave. Too many people were persuaded by simple rhetoric and slogans. It’s shameful how shallow we are.

I do appreciate baby boomers were more likely to vote for Brexit but some of us didn’t and appreciated what the EU could do

yes, when i was on the remain march earlier this year, i was deeply moved by seeing so many older and elderly and disabled people there- the efforts they had made to join was fantastic- testament to their passion.

ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/company-tax/anti-tax-avoidance-package/anti-tax-avoidance-directive_en

It's always about the money.

No it's not always about the money.

The only people who can genuinely say that are people with money.

Any leaver who needs to work to pay bills, rent or mortgage will not be quite so keen on brexit if they lose their job as a result of this stupidity.

Great thread

I think this

'The new EU tax avoidance regulations plus disaster capitalism plus deregulation of industry.'

I really do not believe that disaster capitalists are out there in any significant number trying to wreck the economy just so they can benefit. If there are one or two of them, they may have the power to do serious damage, but they are still only a few individuals with one vote each, so they were not key to the result.
I do believe the Russians and the US have an interest in seeing the EU weaker so may have been involved behind the scenes - not sure but willing to be convinced.
I think generally wealthy people are just unfettered by the daily stress of making ends meet or keeping the same job, so can afford to think in broader principles with wider horizons and longer timescales.

they dont see it as wrecking the economy - they see it as a better way to run the economy.

and yes, arran banks and other wealthy donors have far far more power than 'one vote' - look into Cambridge analytica.

one thing these debates constantly throw up is naivety. people really need to study politics more or at least open their eyes.

people from hugely privileged backgrounds like jrm, boris, gove, farage, lawson have wider horizons and longer timescales than educated or working people like doctors, scientists, business people, trade unionists academics, civil servants etc?

riiiight.

I was including wealthy people like doctors and successful business people in that group Helmet. Anyone well-off, people with successful careers and high incomes. Perhaps "wealthy" was not the right word because it implies inherited wealth.

yeah, i really dont know what you mean. wealth and education are certainly not interchangeable - and the stats show that wealth was not a key indicator in how people voted. education was. the higher the education the less likely to vote brexit...

There are distinct groups of voters - yes at the bottom end many uneducated people probably swayed the vote because they listened to the rhetoric. This doesn't mean there wasn't more nuanced debate at the higher end of education.

In any case, in your anger you have hijacked the point I was making which is that poor people worry more about the day to day than better off people who can afford the luxury of thinking longer term, etc. A point which I am happy to repeat having lived both situations.

poorer people DO obviously worry more about the day to day than the long term- other than that the point you are trying to make here is unclear -
your post of 10.41 was just nonsense.

*the point you are trying to make here is unclear"
says the person who thinks "riiiight" and "yeah...." is articulate

i dont think its articulate- i just think that apart from when you are stating the bloody obvious 'poorer people worry more about the day to day' you are talking nonsense.

Well thanks for relieving me of my political naivety. I look forward to further enlightenment through your highly articulate posts.

good, as i said, try reading more about cambridge analytica or Aaron banks, farage, cummings, or JRM or disaster capitalism etc etc.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_the_United_Kingdom

Check out who owns the main UK media outlets. Then look at how the anti tax avoidance legislation will affect those owners.