Westminstenders: The Imperial March

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There are many ways to enforce power indirectly using privilege. Jacob Rees Mogg knows every trick in the book and dresses it up as respectability rather than a subtle form or intimidation and deliberate exclusion.

It's not the stuff 'of the people'.

Meanwhile the newly crowned PM, is making rather a bug deal of how he is the man 'of the people', here to serve them and to deliver their will.

There's a big theme here about presenting as 'of the people' whilst simultaneously serving the interests of the elite and reestablishing its power over the people.

It's a theme that is set to run for some time, and is entrenched in Trumpism too.

This shift in power is particularly harmful to women it must be noted.

'Strong and stable' was 'weak and wobbly' and we should be mindful that in the era of reversed spin, what 'of the people' signifies.

We've long known about the authoritarianism at the heart of leaving thinking. It's only now that it's finally going to start stomping it's feet all over our freedoms and power.

The road back will be a long and hard one because we failed to spot the threat and the dangers of it.

howabout Wolfgang Munchau has been forecasting the doom of the EU and the Euro for many years
They are both still there

That's the guy saying in 2011 "The eurozone has 10 days at most" 😂😂

but that's the thing about Euro-doomers - they can continue to earn a good living from rightwing UK & US publications, because the readers want to hear this stuff for reassurance

Especially now before jumping off the cliff

I find BlowJob's use of the word "bind" in his statement that "it is vital we renew the ties that bind our United Kingdom" telling

I might have thought it was subconscious - but given he takes such pleasure in his vocabulary......

Even if we No Deal, the civil service will still be needed to get shit done. Having lived through Thatcher as an adult, I am confident that mad shit will only last so long.
I think it’s that sort of reasoning that allows people like BJ to get away with murder. It encourages apathy and the idea that somehow things will sort themselves out on their own

What BJ is probably hoping for is that Ireland itself blinks and abandons its demand to the EU for the backstop

Boris has created a position where he doesn't need to worry about anything. Whatever happens is good for Boris.

When we are all gone, and our descendants are poring over history, I think they will turn to psychologists who will hypothesise that having landed on the Leave side by accident, Boris entire subsequent career was centred around making it so that in hindsight Leave was the right choice.

Once again, I am reminded of the Ben Elton sketch "on an escalator with ..." where Mrs T was having to walk up the down esclator and insisting it was going the wrong way. I think it was "The Man From Auntie" ....

I find BlowJob's use of the word "bind" in his statement that "it is vital we renew the ties that bind our United Kingdom" telling

Or honest.

I think it’s that sort of reasoning that allows people like BJ to get away with murder. It encourages apathy and the idea that somehow things will sort themselves out on their own

The bystander effect has been documented working at national level for many years.

So is time to pass the cyanide tablets round?

The war in Iraq based on the false stories of WMD was mentioned earlier. Remember that part of (the whole?) reason for it was the US fear of the PetroEuro taking over from the Petrodollar (which given the US deficit at the time would've been disastrous for the value of the $). The UK was a useful poodle in supporting the US at the time - especially as the UK was outside the Eurozone.

Funny how talk of a PetroEuro has died a death

@mistigri

Boris won't ask for an extension. His mind is made up and I think has been made up from the start. Any talk of a deal is complete pretense.
The more I think about it the more I'm convinced he will announce no deal before the end of parliament recess.

The war in Iraq based on the false stories of WMD was mentioned earlier.

Which as a country we never received an apology for, by the way, let alone the poor innocents slaughtered in their thousands.

In fact, I'd be amazed if the brains if Leave didn't learn a lot of lessons from how the UK was tricked into a war with nary a protest. Of course there was the massive march in London. But as we've found out, massive marches count for fuck all when there's a job to be done.

Social cohesion is a second order system. Give it a hard enough input, and it will overshoot to the top, then the bottom, then the top again.

So is time to pass the cyanide tablets round?

With milk, for children.

howabout I see no justification for his daft claim that the Uk will be more ready or Brexit than the EU ! 😂 😂

The EU Commission has been planning No Deal since early 2018 at least and issuing detailled guides for all sectors
Far superior to the later waffle from the UK for its people

All reports are that the UK is badly behind in many areas, in completing its No Deal plans
e.g. most companies not yet even applying for the HMRC documents they will need

That whole thesis - from a longterm Eurosceptic - is based, from what I could read, on the belief that some EU countries would want to dump Ireland

Well the 12 other small countries would block that and block any deal that tried it
More importantly, there is great public sympathy in Germany for Ireland as innocent victims, probably in most other EU countries too.

In fact, after Brexit, the A50 QMV no longer applies, so any deal has to pass through all 38 nnational & regional Parliaments
However, we would not get even as far as negotiations, because the EU eads of gov would never produce the necessary unanimous negotiating Mandate without the WA preconditions, to even start negotiations

The huge elephant in the room he never mentions is that no serious analyst disputes that the
impact of Brexit will be far far greater on the UK than the EU

The EU risks its trade - about 10% of its exports - with the UK only, which is heavily dependent on those exports for its food supply
Everything else stays the same for the EU

The UK risks the 45% of its exports which are to the EU - the UK produces little that the EU cannot source internally or elsewhere
It loses all the EU trade deals with other countries, all use of the agencies etc

Now reconsider that idiot's claim that the EU will be more desperate for a deal than the UK ! 😂😂

Oh well that response made me laugh darkly DGR! Just trying to remember what Goebbela and Magda slipped them to the kids

@prettybird

Just now in the Guardian:

Johnson signals he would oppose letting Scotland hold second independence referendum
Speaking to reporters at Faslane Boris Johnson also suggested he would refuse to agree to Scotland holding another independence referendum. Asked if he would rule out a second referendum, Johnson replied:

It was a once in a generation consultation of the people, we did it in 2014 and the people were assured then that it was a once in a generation consultation.

I see no reason now for the politicians to go back on that promise ...

Everybody made clear at the time in 2014, even the Scottish Nationalist Party, I seem to recollect, said that this was a once in a generation vote and I think that the confidence of the public in politicians would be undermined yet further if we were to go back on that and hold another referendum.

That was another referendum won by lies - the rightwing are really good at that

especially the BIG Tory lie that Scotland leaving the UK meant it leaving the EU

Brexit - after that BIG Tory lie - justifies Indy2

Thing is: it was only a once in a generation thing if nothing changes. So said the Tories at the time.
Something significant is about to change.

tobe and dg you two are sick bastards

Is it true that this feckin clown won't speak to any of the other EU leaders until they formally drop the backstop? Not even the Irish PM?

What an absolute fucking arsewipe.

You only have to look on Mumsnet to see that people are losing their jobs because of Brexit. Every assumption made up to now relies on Remainers being passive, quiet, divided and frankly smaller opposition than the Leavers. That's going to change rapidly when you can't get your medication, you've lost your job and there's no fresh food in the shops. People ignore political promises as a rule, but they get bloody angry when their life or livelihood are threatened.

If we No-Deal before the end of the year, I predict riots, a new government and the WA signed sharply. That's before the inevitable backstabbing, scandals and disagreements you will get from this new cabinet.

Johnson knows he can't make a success of No-Deal. He's planning something else.

This is a new PM, elected by 90,000 Tory members (of any nationality, any country of residence, age 15+ allowed)
and hence a new govt with new policies,

Since this new PM declares they are NOT bound by their 2017 manifesto, why do politicians claim to be still bound by a 2016 referendum* ?*

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/boris-johnson-orders-new-chancellor-sajid-javid-to-turn-on-spending-taps-qnr2r0xq9

Boris Johnson’s spokesman confirmed yesterday that the Treasury was looking again at Philip Hammond’s commitment not to let net public sector borrowing exceed 2 per cent of GDP.

The “fiscal rule” was contained in the Conservatives’ 2017 election manifesto
but Downing Street said that the new prime minister was not bound to this.

There is plenty to weep salt tears at, in the grim story of the 20th century - enough to fill the oceans of the world, until the land is subsumed in shame at the horrors it bore witness to. But as a parent the story of the Family Goebbels is perhaps the most achingly perfect microcosm of the pure evil that descended upon Europe in those dark years. For evil it was.

In fact, it's a strange paradox - although maybe more comprehensible at distance - that the world appeared to turn away from religion, having seen first hand what it had needed artists to imagine beforehand.

My DMs mother - my DGM - fell victim to the dementia that finally took my DM. In her last days, when my aunt visited, DGM always asked if she made it safe through the bombs (they lived in London during the blitz). Such was the depth of experience that scarred her mind for life.

@Hazardtired

I'd happily take a ban, if it stopped Brexit.

He's planning something else.

Like what? Genuine question because I just see him as an aging shagger man (to regional?) that can barely pull anymore. Is he capable of planning anything but humping a leg like a dog that needs neutering?

Very sad that those dreadful WW2 memories returned to plague your DGM near her end, DG

No Deal Bills

These are some of the bills pending,
which the May govt didn't dare put before the HoC,
but which should be passed before a No-Deal Brexit,

Looks like this govt intends to pass them AFTER Brexit and (we'll) suck up the additional disruption

• the Trade Bill (for trade after Brexit)
• the Financial Services Bill (to give the government powers to implement future EU financial services regulations in the UK)
• the Agriculture Bill (to create a domestic agricultural regime), + the Fisheries Bill (to create a domestic fisheries regime)
• the Healthcare (International Arrangements) Bill (to implement reciprocal healthcare arrangements with other countries)
• the Immigration Bill (to establish 'settled status' for EU nationals)
• hundreds of assorted Statutory Instruments that I lost track of

You only have to look on Mumsnet to see that people are losing their jobs because of Brexit. Every assumption made up to now relies on Remainers being passive, quiet, divided and frankly smaller opposition than the Leavers. That's going to change rapidly when you can't get your medication, you've lost your job and there's no fresh food in the shops. People ignore political promises as a rule, but they get bloody angry when their life or livelihood are threatened.

All too late, too late. what you say would have been true in normal times. But these are not normal times. And are getting less so by the hour. What has today bought ?

• Boris isn't going to negotiate with the EU full stop.
• Anything which happened under Theresa is history.
• Boris is bound by neither manifesto, nor election
• Scotland can start greasing it's arse for the Westminster Wang
• Direct rule in Northern Ireland to ensure no silly ideas about unification

By Friday we'll have Boris banknotes, a raft of emergency powers to "ensure Brexit happens", and "Brexit Day" will enter the school curriculum and national psyche.

In fact, I would remain unsurprised if we don't see a revival of January 30th as joint Brexit and Martyrs day ...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Charles_the_Martyr

It really is incredible what reading can do for you.