Reasons as to why you voted leave?

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Ladies & Gents,

This is really old news but I am new to mumsnet & would be interested as to why exactly you voted "leave" rather than "remain". Just your very honest opinion, I am not here to judge, just very intrigued.

That's the beauty of a democratic organisation, it can change over time to better reflect it's citizens.

And it's citizens can decide that the change isn't moving in a direction brat they like - and use democracy to show their feelings. Which is what has happened here. A democratic vote that indicated the majority who voted wanted to leave. Democracy.

{And it's citizens can decide that the change isn't moving in a direction brat they like - and use democracy to show their feelings. Which is what has happened here. A democratic vote that indicated the majority who voted wanted to leave. Democracy.}

That would be fine if you allowed others to keep the rights that have been hard won, Freedom of Movement and so on.
Would you be happy rolling back to the time before women got the vote? That is a rough equivalent of half the population having their 'rights' taken away.

At what stage does the Referendum mandate run out? Do we really expect our grandchildren to be bound by decisions made by their grandparents generation?

With Local and General Elections the mandates are 4 or 5 years. Quite often the election produces more of the same, but every now and again e.g. 1945, 1979, 1997 we see a huge change. That might suggest that the mandate would last about 20 -25 years.

Constitutionally there's a good argument that the mandate ended in 2017 when May ran on a Brexit manifesto and lost her majority.

A mandate is meaningless unless you have the House of Commons votes to implement it.

1tisILeClerc

What are you talking about? How can you vote to leave the EU but still keep bits of it? People had a vote. Whoever felt strongly enough voted. One side or another was going to get the majority.

Who are the 50% of the population that have had their rights taken away?

{What are you talking about? How can you vote to leave the EU but still keep bits of it?}

Although the choice on the referendum paper was 'binary' the world isn't so there are degrees of being 'in' or 'out'.
Theresa has always said that she wants a strong and meaningful relationship between the UK and EU for trade etc, which is not 'out' and of course the UK would like food from the EU so it will have to negotiate. Maybe the EU shouldn't shoot or imprison Brits who try and come for holidays, so some sort of treaty is required. How about if those Brits get ill, maybe some sort of reciprocal health provision.
The UK will become a 'third country'. What happens if you go to N Korea or Russia, even the USA without proper papers?
Until the WA is signed off citizens rights, EU in the UK and UK in the EU are not protected. As around 50% of the UK voted to remain, it is the leavers who are denying us these rights.
I for one am exceedingly angry with the 'leave at all costs' fuckwits who can't appreciate the damage they are causing to peoples lives now, let alone when the UK leaves.

Who are the 50% of the population that have had their rights taken away?

Er - maybe the 48% who didn’t vote for this shit show 🤔

Leave Immigration

To all those asking why another thread..

Yes, it has been asked before. BUT it WILL be asked again. and again. Because as reality hits more and more people will realise the impact the vote will have on them.

It has been easy, perhaps, to ignore what was going on. To not take much interest, "a doesn't affect me" stance, a choice not to vote as they don't care.

But as it drags on and more details are revealed, or lies - from both sides - are uncovered, as the "easy deals" don't appear then people start to sit up and take notice. And go "hang on a sec..." This isn't what I voted for/get on with it/I didn't know or realise that."

And they will have the same questions. How will it affect ME? And so they start a thread. That is what Mumsnet is about. We see the same cycle of questions every year. We even see someone start a thread about something, which prompts someone to start a thread about a similar thing with a different slant. And then suddenly we have thirty million threads about giraffe hats.

So the threads will happen.

The WORST thing that can happen is that people get Brexit fatigue. Which is already happening. More people are saying FGS just get on with already. Just No Deal so we can show them how wrong they were. etc and on and on. The more we explain, the more we can unravel the issues and find common ground. I am sure everyone is trying to do the best for THIER circumstances.

Whatever your stance, stand by it, justify it, campaign it. OWN IT.

Stop the slanging between leavers and remainers, PLEASE. Surely, if nothing else, the last three years has shown us how divided we are as a country, and after three years, surely it is time to work something out TOGETHER, not tear each other further apart.

{Er - maybe the 48% who didn’t vote for this shit show}

And those who were too young to vote, the ones who are going to be hit the hardest.

Actually its 100% of UK passport holders that are having their rights as EU citizens taken away because that's what 37% of the electorate voted to do.

KennDodd
Yes agreed, but leavers don't want to ever go to Europe again so we can discount them.

Not sure that's true. I personally know of one very vocal Leaver (I'm sure there are many more) who has since got herself an Irish passport, something her Remain voting children are not entitled to.

Constitutionally there's a good argument that the mandate ended in 2017 when May ran on a Brexit manifesto and lost her majority.

That would be how I viewed it too.

I would be very interested to hear how many other EU countries would vote to leave were they granted a referendum. I'm not sure that these feelings about the EU are peculiar to the UK.

As for the people who voted remain or who were too young to vote - unfortunately this applies to all ballots. Whatever the outcome the people who voted against would have list out and there will always be people too young to vote who are affected by the decision. One of the biggest examples is tuition fees - the people affected didn't vote for them did they? That was imposed by adults at the time on adults of the future. Where's the outrage and demands to over turn that based on students affected having been too young to vote?

Shinesweetfreedom Immigration?

I'm NHS. Leafy Hampshire. Three years ago, my department was 99-95% British white.

It's now 30-40% and growing, monthly, non-British, non-white, non- EU trained. The juxtaposition of an entirely white waiting room being called into tests by an almost half black workforce is interesting.

You didn't want 'immigrants? Well, they're a vast slab of your NHS, now.

I don't have a problem, apart from the reality that yes, some of our incomers are noticeably less well trained than NHS staff.

But the idea you voted Leave because of 'immigration' is so ignorant, it's embarrassing. The big difference is that the immigrants we will now have to import will be culturally, and possibly educationally- way different to your Dane, Portuguese or Greek.

Miljah
Public services apart, I am concerned at the companies in my local area employing hundred if not thousands of Europeans on minimum wage,zero hour contracts.They are treated like slaves.Saw inside one factory locally where 90% were from Europe and could not speak English.

That would be fine if you allowed others to keep the rights that have been hard won, Freedom of Movement and so on

Never possible to have a policy that please everyone. If your vote was in the Majority then you got what you wanted. If your vote was in the minority too bad. Democracy is honoring the Majority.

Do we really expect our grandchildren to be bound by decisions made by their grandparents generation

People can change their minds in future General Elections if they wish. However, democracy is honoring the results in the order they happen.

A mandate is meaningless unless you have the House of Commons votes to implement it

500+ MPs voted for Article 50. That is 77%+of the HoC.

Although the choice on the referendum paper was 'binary' the world isn't so there are degrees of being 'in' or 'out'

The World did not take part in UK EU referendum in 2016. It was limited to the Voters of the UK being asked if they wanted to Remain or Leave the EU as described on the ballot paper.

Either you are in or you are out. For example;

In work or out of work. ie employed or unemployed. Not possible to be both at the same time.

Er - maybe the 48% who didn’t vote for this shit show

52% is a larger number than 48%. Democracy requires that majorities prevail.

If people want to vote differently in the future they are free to do so, but results have to be implemented in the order they occur.

And those who were too young to vote, the ones who are going to be hit the hardest

When they are old enough they can vote however they wish. Is there any evidence that all under 18s would have voted remain?

Scotland moved the goalposts in their 2014 referendum so that 16 to 18 year olds could vote, but the result was to remain in the UK.

Actually its 100% of UK passport holders that are having their rights as EU citizens taken away because that's what 37% of the electorate voted to do

Where does 37% come from? I remember that 52% of those who voted chose leave.

Constitutionally there's a good argument that the mandate ended in 2017 when May ran on a Brexit manifesto and lost her majority

That would be how I viewed it too

How does the manifestos in the 2017 GE make the result of the 2016 referendum invalid?