Reasons as to why you voted leave?

[Firstimemam]

Ladies & Gents,

This is really old news but I am new to mumsnet & would be interested as to why exactly you voted "leave" rather than "remain". Just your very honest opinion, I am not here to judge, just very intrigued.

[Songsofexperience]

How naïve you are. Lol right back at you.

So you don't think we have global standing now? You said leaving will give us back our standing in the world. Well it isn't:

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/feb/13/brexit-is-national-crisis-former-diplomats-tell-theresa-may

[Peregrina]

How does the manifestos in the 2017 GE make the result of the 2016 referendum invalid?

Because this could be seen as a confirmation of the original vote - Do you like our vision of Brexit as put forward in our Manifestos? To which the public said to both Labour and Conservatives - no thanks. So their manifesto commitments bite the dust. They tend to bite the dust anyway, being a sales pitch rather than something legally binding.

Now whatever SNP put in their manifesto, and I don't know, not being in Scotland, their public said, Yes please.

[LifeContinues]

Because this could be seen as a confirmation of the original vote - Do you like our vision of Brexit as put forward in our Manifestos?

Neither Conservative nor Labour presented what they thought Brexit would be in their manifestos. They committed to honouring the result only. The WA (Withdrawal Agreement or Worst Apocalypse) was not drafted until November 2018, 17 months after the GE in June 2017 in which people voted for Conservative and Labour by 82.4% in total.

Since then they have both dropped to 24% and 18% respectively as they did not honour the referendum result.

Now whatever SNP put in their manifesto, and I don't know, not being in Scotland, their public said, Yes please

Just like they did when asked do you want to remain in UK. Remain in UK received more votes that remain in EU in Scotland

[bellinisurge]

"Just like they did when asked do you want to remain in UK. Remain in UK received more votes that remain in EU in Scotland"
So minority votes count now, do they? How about 48%? Would you say that is a minority vote that counts?

[ginghamstarfish]

OP you may be new to mumsnet, but why not try using the search facility before posting yet ANOTHER thread on this. Do you really think that it would not have been discussed on here? Also you should know that the majority of Leave voters will not engage on these threads as they are called racist, thick, bigoted etc. Really, it's been done to death.

[LifeContinues]

So minority votes count now, do they? How about 48%? Would you say that is a minority vote that counts?

No. In the 2014 Scottish referendum the vote was

55% remain in UK - 2,001,926 votes
45% leave the UK - 1,617,989 votes

2016 EU referendum

68% remain in EU - 1,662,191 votes
32% leave the EU - 1,018,322 votes

A lot more voted to remain under the UK umbrella than remain in the EU. A difference of 340,000 on a total electorate of less than 4 million is significant

[bellinisurge]

Glad to see you think minority opinion is valuable @LifeContinues .

[Peregrina]

Since then they have both dropped to 24% and 18% respectively
Shown by opinion polls but with some confirmation with elections held which are real votes cast.

as they did not honour the referendum result.
A matter of opinion only.

[Clavinova]

Songsofexperience
Your Guardian link is just a list of remain voting former diplomats who want a second referendum - the open letter was published by the People's Vote campaign back in February. It's just their opinion.The article ends with doubts over the UK's transatlantic relationship with America - but it was written before Donald Trump's recent (and successful) visit to the UK and before Theresa May agreed to step down as PM.

[Peregrina]

It's debatable whether Trump's visit was a success. In terms of pomp and show yes. In terms of tangible results for......?

[LifeContinues]

Glad to see you think minority opinion is valuable @LifeContinues**

How? Almost 10% of the Scottish electorate prefer remain UK over remain EU

[LifeContinues]

A matter of opinion only

So what else caused both conservatives and labour to lose almost half their support in two years other than failing to deliver Brexit?

[Closertotheheart]

Actually its 100% of UK passport holders that are having their rights as EU citizens taken away because that's what 37% of the electorate voted to do

Where does 37% come from? I remember that 52% of those who voted chose leave.

@LifeContinues 37.5% of the electorate voted to leave

[LifeContinues]

@LifeContinues 37.5% of the electorate voted to leave

So what % of the electorate voted remain?

[Closertotheheart]

Well do the math, if the voting turn out was 72.21% I'm sure you can work out 48% of that. However, I think you've missed the point of the text.

[TheCatThatDanced]

I originally didn't vote as was erring on side of caution and I thought we were misinformed about Brexit.

I think and still think that there was a big immigration problem here, re letting people in, work, discounting the feckless lot we have here who won't work.

Then this meant Europeans etc were taking office jobs that British people did in the past. OK it was good in a way as it widened the job market but it's made it harder for me as an EA/PA to get work.

[1tisILeClerc]

{ re letting people in}

I find that fairly offensive, it is a bit like saying 'letting women have babies'.

{ for me as an EA/PA to get work.}
Can you offer multiple language skills?

[Closertotheheart]

Then this meant Europeans etc were taking office jobs that British people did in the past. OK it was good in a way as it widened the job market but it's made it harder for me as an EA/PA to get work.

Is this the polite way of saying foreigners are stealing your jobs?

[TheCatThatDanced]

1istlLeClerc

How is that offensive?! I'm just saying the truth, that it makes it harder if you're English to get work in England as an English person (with passport etc) if immigrants e.g. 2 Polish and Hungarian office workers I know take the jobs instead. And actually their English wasn't that great to start with. I also worked at an architects who deliberately employed foreign workers as they were cheaper than British architects.

Actually, yes I am fluent in French but I choose not to use it in work, I just don't want to use it and that's my choice!

[TheCatThatDanced]

Closertoheart - no foreigners are not stealing our jobs - just making it harder for English people to get them.

And personally, I really don't see the problem in saying this. I've worked since I was 17 - past 30 years in admin/PA/EA roles.

[LifeContinues]

Well do the math, if the voting turn out was 72.21% I'm sure you can work out 48% of that. However, I think you've missed the point of the text

48% of 72.21% is 34.7%. Is that not a lower figure than the % of the electorate that voted leave? Ie the number of people who voted leave was greater than those who voted remain?

[1tisILeClerc]

The jobs market is global, and always has been. If you want a particular job at a particular salary, you may well have to move.
Polish and Hungarian workers have a right to come and work in the UK, just as you have a right to work anywhere in Europe. There are rules, such as being self supporting for at least a year and so on, it is not the 'free for all' that some make out unless you are fighting for the farm labourers jobs.

[Closertotheheart]

Yes @life it is, but it was in response to your post. You put something along the lines of "I thought 52% voted leave" to which I replied "37.5% of the electorate voted leave" which is the point a pp (cant recall name, sorry) was making.

Now you're asking about maths, so I feel like you are deliberately missing that PP's point.

[TheCatThatDanced]

1tisLeClerc Of course I may have to move! I realise that.

One woman friend I know did piss me off a bit (Hungarian) saying when she worked here as Office manager/accounts staff and on her Facebook page when she posted something about Hungarians being far better at their jobs in the UK (e.g) than English people she got no likes and a few people criticised her!

I also know a few Europeans who have in fact returned to their own countries...

I also have friends from Eastern European countries who do live and work in the UK, pay taxes, are British citizens, married to British men etc and I don't have a problem with that at all.

1tislLeClerc - how am I meant to move (if the jobs market is global) if I have 2 DC under 10, a DH etc?! I'm lucky DH has a very well paid job but I can't just move abroad.

[TheCatThatDanced]

When I said 'move' I meant move jobs!