Westminstenders: Long live liberalism

[RedToothBrush]

Talk of its demise are premature.

(Sorry up to eyeballs this weekend)

(By the way, if anyone wants to try Flammkuchen, inspired by BCF's birthday celebrations, Lidl have got savoury and sweet ones ATM as part of their French week...)

The more this goes on the 'better' Theresa looks as a 'statesperson' however she is going in the wrong direction.

BlueEyeshadow
You can cut this 'foreign' nonsense out, the UK can have gruel and like it. {grin]

whoops!

Flammkuchen - German. Why in a French week at Lidl? Unless it's from that part of France which has moved back and forth between France and Germany.

I am a lurker, I have never ever commented on any mumsnet thread ever! But I have followed westminstenders for at least 2 years, I am so indebted to you all for these threads they have really helped me stay calm and informed through the continuing turbulence so thank you all very much.

Is it possible that the 2 tory candidates keep saying how awful a Jeremy Corbyn government would be because they know that we will have a general election in the autumn which they are likely to lose to labour/other parties, so not only would that nullify all the undeliverable promises they are making now but it means they can sit back and shout betrayal and traitors from the opposition benches all while someone else (probably Jeremy Corbyn!) has to tell the country that Brexit isn't going to happen and deal with the fallout?

If so, that seems like checkmate to me and actually clever of them. As soon as that occured to me, the whole thing made sense. I could be way off though, it was just a thought that struck me and I wanted to finally contribute!!

the UK can have gruel and like it.

But only one helping. Asking for more is absolutely not on

pergrina afaik, Flammkuchen was invented (hundreds of years go) in the Alsace region and the German-French border region

It has become pretty widespread in Germany, but it is a shared part of the gastronomic history of the 2 countries

• and one that seems popular with almost all Brits who try it, hence I expect why Lidl included it

Among righwingers who expect Brexit to make most people worse off,
it is a common tactic to claim that the UK is escaping before the UK breaks up

After all, what other excuse can they give,
to the majority of people whom polls say are not willing to become poorer for Brexit ?

Among righwingers who expect Brexit to make most people worse off,
it is a common tactic to claim that the UK is escaping before the UK EU breaks up

oops - My subconscious at work, since it is the UK that is likely to break up !

@gretawhitethorn - it is a plausible scenario. They may also be deluded enough to think they can bullshit their way through it all and emerge 'victorious'. We are living 'in interesting times' but the Remain parties have agreed to one candidate in by election in Brecon and Radnorshire and the chancellor has said Parliament will stop no deal. Autumn is going to be so much 'fun' ...

Germany says it will stand in 'full solidarity' with Ireland over Brexit

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/04/germany-says-it-will-stand-in-full-solidarity-with-ireland-over-brexit

German president echoes Angela Merkel in saying the backstop will not be revisited

gretawhitethorn
Welcome!
Have you got a cat, we might need it?
At this point many scenarios are possible but it is very difficult to see the Leave pledges of getting BETTER deals from anyone actually working out.

Gaspode and greta, in a way I agree, but the one sticking point is that I really don't think Labour/Corbyn can win a GE. Aren't they in fourth place at the moment in popularity polls?

Whether Labour with a different leader could win is an interesting question. It looks to me as though Tom Watson is currently essentially building up a government in exile. It's a bit Trotsky and Lenin.

but it is very difficult to see the Leave pledges of getting BETTER deals from anyone actually working out

We've long since moved on from the promise of Better Sunlit Uplands of Brexitannian Greatness Bestriding the Globe, into the assurance of The Overcast Flatlands where Stuff [that each individual Leaver considers personally important] Won't Change Noticeably, and then into the Gloomy Malodorous Boglands of Any Hardship/Job Losses/Medicine Shortages are Worth It Because Sovereignty.

Hello gretawhitethorn!

I think your idea may be one of their potential plans to get themselves out of this mess. But I think Nikita is probably right - Labour can’t win alone. It says something that they go on about him as if he’s the sole competition. Must be that they think he’s the one their voters would get most worked up against.

But sometimes I dream about an election that somehow produces a government of national unity: LD, SNP, Greens, Plaid, maybe Change and Independents. And maybe a lot of Labour MPs would get behind it too. Tories don’t deserve to be anywhere near government for a long time after this omnishambles.

The narrative has shifted now from Brexit needing to deliver anything, to "it's just got to happen". No need for leavers to justify anything anymore.

Flammkuchen was invented (hundreds of years go) in the Alsace region and the German-French border region.

I guessed that to be the case.

TheElementsSong
Yes I know. As a 'Remainer' why can't I be ANGRY about it? Leavers promised me sunny uplands and they are failing to deliver.

That 26bn would have to stretch to cover all those who would lose out from Brexit, but this is yet another one:

(Hammond says that money would not be available anyway, as it would be needed to plug the hole that No Deal would leave govt finances)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jul/05/brexit-could-jeopardise-5bn-lifeline-of-eu-cash-councils-warn

Brexit is putting at risk a £5bn “lifeline” of EU regional cash for important social, employment and infrastructure funds
because the government has yet to come up with a plan for replacement money,
local council leaders have warned.

The money comes from the European social fund, the European regional development fund (ERDF) and the European agricultural fund for rural development.

The funds have helped improve roads, bring broadband to rural communities, train people with disabilities to help them get into work,
as well as providing funds for tourist and environmentally important sites.

In Portsmouth and Southampton the programme supports the long-term unemployed and people with disabilities and health conditions that make work challenging.

In many cities, ERDF allocations have provided match-funding to help small businesses get off the ground.

{German-French}
Damn this cross border cooperation!

One of the few silver linings to the past three years (for me) has been the Westminster threads. They really have been an education and I intend to go and hunt down Flammkuchen at Aldi this weekend.

The other silver lining is watching the Tory party flail around in batshit crazy mode. I think they have managed to alienate almost everyone under the age of 40 (and a fair number over!). Hunt's performance over foxhunting has been absolutely brilliant this week.

Brexit is putting at risk a £5bn “lifeline” of EU regional cash for important social, employment and infrastructure funds because the government has yet to come up with a plan for replacement money,

quick newsflash. The government have no intention of replacing the money. Which saves the need for a plan.

Rinse and repeat.

{Brexit is putting at risk a £5bn “lifeline” of EU regional cash for important social, employment and infrastructure funds because the government has yet to come up with a plan for replacement money,}

Of course the obvious question that 'Leavers' aren't asking, is why are the EU being involved in helping the UK doing what the UK government SHOULD have been doing all along?
Then the cheeky feckers complain that the EU is helping/getting involved.

We do indeed have a cat 😁

You are all right though about labour probably not being able to win a GE with Corbyn as leader, I didn't think of that!

I am pleased to see the remain parties working together for the by election, it's a start!