London is no longer an English city

[Leafyhouse]

Said by John Cleese (he of Monty Python fame), recently. Link to story is here:

www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-48451384

What do other people think? I do see London's diversity as being its great strength, but maybe it's just because I live in the London bubble - and maybe the view from the rest of the country is utter horror that the capital seems to be becoming increasingly disconnected from the country. Both economically and culturally. Hence the Brexit vote - Remain in a sea of Leave.

What's the view from others?

You have no idea how decades of neglect and the past decade of austerity has affected large areas of the UK. The political elite ignored this before the referendum and still don’t appear to acknowledge it even now. Arrogance in the extreme. Cameron thought that people would vote his way simply because he told them to.

If I felt ignored and desperate I certainly wouldn’t be throwing my lot in with Farage and Johnson.

If I felt ignored and desperate I certainly wouldn’t be throwing my lot in with Farage and Johnson.

That’s your choice Tatiana. Nobody ever spoke to them before and all Farage did was go to these areas and tell them he was on their side. That’s why are now in a mess.

the biggest indicator for voting brexit was age and education - not low income, not poor housing, not use of food bank.

stop peddling the lie that this brexit clusterfuck is led or demanded by poor and desperate people.

Helmet I know for a fact this isn’t a lie because I know so many of the people who were desperate. Don’t accuse me of ‘peddling a lie’ simply because you disagree

ok, well i cant even begin to discuss this with someone who genuinely thinks knowing some poor people who voted leave means brexit is now being led and demanded by all poor people.

It’s the intelligent choice. Farage was lying.

I know people who are struggling financially but they’re not stupid enough to vote for Brexit.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2016/07/06/world/europe/wigan-england-brexit-working-class-voters.amp.html

I don’t just know poor people. What a ridiculous statement. I am from Wigan and I think many articles including the one I have linked sums up people’s feelings quite well.

Nope Farage didn't speak to them, actually what he did was confirm prejudices about immigrants and tell people their woes were the EUs fault.

Before turning round and claiming he never said that life would be better out of the EU.

Oh and Farage? A supporter of the economics that brought inequality, he would vote to make it worse.

Anyone who was poor or desperste voting for brexit was the proverbial turkey voting for Christmas.

brexit is absolutely being led and pushed by wealthier, over 50s, ex-cons: the brexit party got the biggest support not from the north but from the thames estuary.
the cities were against brexit/rural areas were more pro.
it may well be that the people of Wigan still think brexit is the answer to their problems but id bet that the intelligent people there - and elsewhere have changed their minds and worked out what this is by now.

I don’t just know poor people. What a ridiculous statement
nb- i didnt say you did.

If they haven’t changed their minds by now, more fool them.

They might have noticed that the Brexit agenda is set by hard right politicians and moguls such as Murdoch, Barclay brothers etc - whose agenda is a low tax, low regulation, low social protection economy.

How do they expect to benefit from that?

They were lied to it’s true, but the truth always been out there if they had bothered to look.

If they are all as stupid as you all say they (people in Wigan) are perhaps they can thank the lack of investment in their education. I know nothing about Brexit areas in places like the Thames Estuary because I have never set foot in such places. I only know about my own home town.

Would you trust David Cameron when he slashed your council’s budget by 40% whilst leaving Oxfordshire’s pretty much intact?

If they are all as stupid as you all say they (people in Wigan) are

didnt say that either...

mate, the people in wigan have been let down - brexit - a right wing movement led by wealthy 'elites' is not going to save them. we dont know how wigan would vote in another ref- id be interested to see.

You said I was peddling lies Helmet. I am only speaking as I see things.

Wigan would vote to leave again. I know they would.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/video/2019/mar/21/brexit-breakdown-anywhere-but-westminster-a-big-day-in-the-north-video

This is also a good illustration of the point I am trying to make.

Howwudufeel

That article you linked to explains quite well how the Wigan vote was motivated by a general feeling of disaffection that happened to crystallize around the EU.
Who will you vote for? What will you turn to when brexit fails to empower you (as it inevitably will fail to)?

but brexit is not led and demanded by poor people - that really isnt borne out by stats.

i appreciate that wigan quite probably is, as you say, still completely a brexit town but you cant extrapolate that across the country.

I wouldn’t trust David Cameron any more than I would trust Boris and Farage. Voting for those 2 to teach Cameron a lesson is like punching yourself in the face.

It’s not actually relevant to the question of whether the U.K. is better off in than out, lower income areas particularly.

We all know that lower education means people have less means to evaluate propaganda. But the fact is we don’t have state media. The truth is out there - buy the more intelligent newspapers, read Dunt, Faisal Islam, Peston, as to what’s really going on. Listen to the Remain MPs who tell you you’ve been sold a pup. You’ve had 3 years to figure this out.

The Brexit voters I know, who are relatively few are all extremely wealthy, and ironically highly educated. They’ve mostly changed their minds now.

Tatiana David Cameron led the remain campaign. He also led the ‘tough choices’ arising from austerity which for some reason led to severe and disproportionate cuts in budgets to areas like Wigan (this is an absolute fact). Why then would anybody in these areas vote the way he told them to? In contrast Farage was on TV only a few days ago saying that his new party would look after the forgotten regions in the north. Farage’s tactic is simple but effective.

Anyone with any intelligence does not make a decision on whether the U.K. is better off in or out of the EU on the basis of campaigns or the politicians leading them. They do so on the facts.

Farage’s campaign is effective, it’s also bollocks.

Do you really believe this millionaire gives the slightest of fucks about the people of Wigan? He’s hard right, he dislikes socialism, that’s why he dislikes the EU. Why do you think he’s on your side?