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Brexit

Polling shows Britain wants a dictator backed by the military

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noblegiraffe · 08/04/2019 13:33

Well, not exactly, but we appear to be headed down quite a worrying road. Brexit has totally fucked up people’s trust of politicians and the political process.

54% say Britain needs a strong leader who is willing to break the rules.”
“Britons have more confidence in the military and judges than in politicians to act in the public interest”

Where do we go from here?

www.hansardsociety.org.uk/publications/reports/audit-of-political-engagement-16

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lucyinthefry · 08/04/2019 13:42

For starters the govt should respect the referendum result and parliament. If there has to be an extension then it should be used constructively to agree a good deal that has cross-party support. Most probably a Norway type as that is what the majority want. I would appoint John Curtice as an overseer reporting to the Queen.

noblegiraffe · 08/04/2019 13:48

Yeah I’m not sure that any outcome to Brexit is going to restore public faith in politicians after the 3 years of shitshow. That stuff you’re talking about should have happened in 2016.

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pointythings · 08/04/2019 19:47

I'd settle for Norway, and I would have been a remainer if I'd been allowed a vote (EU national in the UK). But the thing is, TM drew those red lines. And there's a vocal, angry contingent who wouldn't accept Norway because of that pesky FOM - they wanted the foreigners out. I don't see that approach getting us anywhere.

That poll is scary though.

xebobfromUS · 08/04/2019 20:05

This is one thing that concerns me if " Operation Yellowhammer " is put into effect. How much control would the civilian government retain and how much control would go to the military authorities?

If events turn really dire then the people might well welcome military rule if it helps them avoid chaos, mayhem and hunger. The problem is that the armed forces of a country aren't really designed for civil governance, they are mostly designed to break things and kill enemy forces ( though they do sometimes engage in limited humanitarian relief ).

Assuming relative success in stabilization efforts, at what point would military authorities be willing to relinquish total control back to civilian authorities?

I simply hate where all of this seems to be headed.

bellinisurge · 09/04/2019 08:43

Having lived in a dictatorship, they are expensive, inefficient and everyone is grumpy or scared. Or both. Everyone who isn't being killed by it or profiteering from it. We won't go down that route in UK. Too much hassle. That's the polite version.

woman19 · 09/04/2019 09:37

I'd be interested to see how much this polling has changed over the last few decades, and the methodology of the survey.

I suspect there's a difference in support for authoritarianism in England, Scotland and the North of Ireland.

Quality of education makes a lot of difference to the quality of political discourse. Wink

In fact, with the rather peculiar coverage of the HOC by the press in this country over the last 20 years, and the almost total absence of political/ constitutional education or media analysis education in English schools that some of the results are so positive.

^Core indicators of certainty to vote, and interest in and knowledge of politics, remain stable at average or above-average levels.

Of 13 political activities, the number of people saying they would be prepared to do ‘none’ is up 10 points in a year to 22%. ( so nearly 80% would get involved?)

32% say they do not want to be involved ‘at all’ in local decision-making, a rise of 10 points in a year. (so nearly 70% do want to be involved?)

Compared to last year, more people say that they are not at all interested in politics and know nothing about it.

30% of people say they never discuss government and politics.

53% say they have not done any form of online political activity in the last year.

61% say they would be certain to vote in an immediate general election^.

Most poorly educated people are drawn to authoritarianism.

Most of England's education system is very poor. Smile

Eateneasterchocsalready · 09/04/2019 10:31

Strong leader who will break rules. ..is that going to be Yvette cooper?

She's gone back on declaration she made that said ignoring the vote would be like doing a Donald trump!

And now she's even creating her own laws to push thru parliament to take power away from pm.

Is that what remainers want?

woman19 · 09/04/2019 10:51
bellinisurge · 09/04/2019 11:04

I second your sigh.

noblegiraffe · 09/04/2019 14:04

No, Yvette Cooper getting a bill voted on through Parliament (3 times) then Lords, and signed off by the Queen is probably not what people have in mind when it comes to rule-breaking.

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