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If you signed the 6m+ Revoke Brexit petition...

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EluphNaugeMeop · 31/03/2019 21:55

Please also sign this:
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/241848
calling for the process to be halted for a public inquiry into the illegal funding that influenced the referendum.

The government response to the revoke petition was insultingly dismissive but to be fair the petition was simply saying "no stop this stop it now" which did unfortunately leave the way open for such a ridiculous response by failing to give proper reasons why.

Share this petition widely. Let's get this up to 6 million too. Let's see their response to something more specific.

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lonelyplanetmum · 01/04/2019 11:17

Surely exhortations to sign petitions are useful as part of other activity including writing to one's MP, joining political parties and protest groups, complaining about impartial media coverage etc etc.

The 6 million petition got widespread national and international media coverage and surely that has a purpose? It may be a limited purpose but it's better than nothing.

I for one am grateful when EU politicians acknowledge that 6 million people signed a petition and 1-1.5 million marched. This has a purpose.

Are you saying you would rather parties on both sides didn't sign petitions in addition to whatever else they do?

colehawlins · 01/04/2019 11:22

Are you saying you would rather parties on both sides didn't sign petitions in addition to whatever else they do?

I'm saying that anyone, in either side, investing quite as much in petitions as evident from some on this thread, is wrongheaded.

lonelyplanetmum · 01/04/2019 11:24

But do you acknowledge that the 6 million petition attracted widespread national and international media coverage and that has a purpose? It may be a limited purpose but it's better than nothing.

TheElementsSong · 01/04/2019 11:25

“You’re all doing it wrong, and also wasting precious pixels on the internet!”

colehawlins · 01/04/2019 11:33

It may be a limited purpose but it's better than nothing.

I honestly think it would be better if everyone who signed the petition, wrote to their MP instead. Repeatedly, ideally.

Also, the less that the inflammatory element on each side goad each other, the better.

Tanith · 01/04/2019 11:38

My MP is Jeremy Hunt. I have written to him. He’s in a Remain constituency. He takes not a blind bit of notice of anyone but votes as the Government tells him to vote.

Petitions and marches are the only way to make our voices heard. Now you tell me why you’re so keen on shutting down one of the only voices we have left.

Mistigri · 01/04/2019 11:38

Many of the people who signed the petition may have MPs who don't acknowledge their letters. Or don't have an MP at all as is the case for many Britons in Europe.

I'm very sceptical about the usefulness of petitions but this one got a lot of media coverage.

Plus it got 10x as many signatures as the no deal petition, which tells you something. Either that revoke is 10x more popular, or that remainers are 10x cleverer (if you think that petitions can be gamed).

lonelyplanetmum · 01/04/2019 11:44

Writing to my No Deal Leave Tory MP who ignores his 69% Remain constituents is frustrating believe me. He supports his 30% Leave constituents with sycophantic self interest.

I think petitions are one part of the selection of limited tools available. It is also permissible to point out that criticisms Leavers make concerning Remain petitions are equally applicable to their own petitions.

Schroedingersbadger · 01/04/2019 11:49

Done

MissGiddyPants · 01/04/2019 11:51

Yay. A public inquiry.

FFS

colehawlins · 01/04/2019 11:52

Petitions and marches are the only way to make our voices heard. Now you tell me why you’re so keen on shutting down one of the only voices we have left.

Marching has far more credibility, TBH. The numbers can't really be tampered (or be said to have been tampered) and the commitment of showing up and marching is more than a couple of clicks and an electronic signature.

And opining that something is a poor use of time isn't "shutting it down".

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 01/04/2019 12:00

Yes i know that cole

Well aware

I was pointing out that they do no good...the best they can be considered is as an opinion

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 01/04/2019 12:04

I'm saying that anyone, in either side, investing quite as much in petitions as evident from some on this thread, is wrongheaded

I dont think anyone on this thread is investing anything

Loads have said that petitions dont do anything

lonelyplanetmum · 01/04/2019 12:05

Agree about marching Cole. I got two dozen friends to march two Saturdays ago- most of them hadn't marched before.

colehawlins · 01/04/2019 12:06

Sorry @Rufusthebewilderedreindeer - I misread yours.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 01/04/2019 12:07

Thank you cole

colehawlins · 01/04/2019 12:08

Agree about marching Cole. I got two dozen friends to march two Saturdays ago- most of them hadn't marched before.

Well that's a result! Two dozen?

Mistigri · 01/04/2019 12:17

A couple of days before the march I posted on FB that I was flying from Toulouse to attend and suddenly a bunch of friends from all over the U.K. were booking train tickets. Before that I only knew one person.

I'd love to think that I influence them but I doubt it. However I do think that the revoke petition going viral made a difference to attendance. It was a kind of "I'm not alone, it's still worth marching" signal.

SoftBlocks · 01/04/2019 12:21

Signed.

twofingerstoEverything · 01/04/2019 12:22

I honestly think it would be better if everyone who signed the petition, wrote to their MP instead. Repeatedly, ideally.
I repeatedly write to my MP. This is what comes in response every time: Letters sent through the mail get no acknowledgement at all.

Thank you for your email which has been received. This acknowledgement has been triggered automatically.

If you are a constituent and in need of assistance please ensure you have included your full name, address and telephone number in your email or call the office on XXXXXXXXX. There is a strict Parliamentary rule that means I can only act on behalf of my own constituent(s). To find out if you are one of my constituents in XXXXX visit: www.parliament.uk/mps-lords-and-offices/mps/

My office and I try to identify and to respond quickly to requests for help on individual problems, requests for visits or meetings and messages about local issues. These are too often difficult to identify amongst email blizzards. If you are forwarding or adapting a circular email mass prompted by 38 Degrees, a similar lobbying organisation or a worthwhile charity, please do not expect a response directly nor immediately. Campaign organisers will have written. Where there is clearly a widespread interest a statement can be placed on my website.

He will literally only respond to local issues. Everything else is roundly ignored. He doesn't even bother with a generic cut and paste Brexit-related response, even when a constituent has gone to the trouble of writing a considered, personalised email (ie. not a 38 Degrees type thing).

Peregrina · 01/04/2019 12:26

The numbers can't really be tampered (or be said to have been tampered) and the commitment of showing up and marching is more than a couple of clicks and an electronic signature.

We have had people categorically saying that there were only 300,000 of us on last weekend's march. Ultimately though, the numbers won't be denied - think of the protests in E Europe which brought communism down; they could only keep the lid on the pressure cooker for a limited amount of time.

lonelyplanetmum · 01/04/2019 12:27

Well 28 actually mostly school parents but there were three MNetters (who were coming anyway) and 2 friends who had marched before.

TheElementsSong · 01/04/2019 12:29

Some of us march and write to our MPs (repeatedly) and sign petitions.

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EluphNaugeMeop · 02/04/2019 06:55

You are right that its better to write to your mp than sign a petition but honestly most people don't have time for that. I think the petitions on the government website are worth signing because there's an established route for them to be at least noticed. I'm not sure its worth bothering with petitions on other sites like change.org

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Laska2Meryls · 02/04/2019 07:02

Done

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