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Dominic Grieve deselection meeting - frightening

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HPFA · 30/03/2019 22:50

You may not get to the end of this. Watch what happens when someone tells facts to people who don't want to hear.

twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1112011627312934913

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LooksLikeImStuckHere · 31/03/2019 09:36

I’m one of his constituents. I have never voted for Dominic Grieve and have always felt under represented in this Tory stronghold. I don’t agree with many of his past votes in the HoC but have been so grateful that my MP is actually, for once, representing my wishes and doing so vocally.

Stands to reason that the only time my Conservative MP actually matches my political beliefs, he could get deselected for not representing his party...

LooksLikeImStuckHere · 31/03/2019 09:39

Having watched that Twitter video, I’m going to email him too.

Peregrina · 31/03/2019 09:46

Am I missing something? Are you shocked by the heckling?

Yes. At our own constituency meeting to ask whether our current MP should be re-endorsed there was no heckling but a unanimous show of hands to say yes. But we are not Tories.

SaskiaRembrandt · 31/03/2019 09:53

Are you shocked by the heckling?

I'm shocked that an MP is being called a traitor and a liar for representing the wishes of his constituents. And that he is then subject to a vote of no-confidence by people who, as far as can be ascertained, joined the party to do precisely that. I'm not a Tory voter, but I can see that if this is happening to someone as moderate and respected as Dominic Grieve, it is a cause for concern, and is certainly not democracy.

IMO, both main parties have been infiltrated by extremists whose agenda is not that of the party they are manipulating.

Songsofexperience · 31/03/2019 09:55

IMO, both main parties have been infiltrated by extremists whose agenda is not that of the party they are manipulating.

Quite, and those people are pure poison.

nothingwittyhere · 31/03/2019 09:57

JRM is another Leaver in a Remain constituency. Peregrina is absolutely right to point out that Leavers have a weird blind spot about such people. They also seem completely uninformed about the UK's democratic process. Since JRM is a representative I wouldn't suggest his constituents deselect him.

Notonthestairs · 31/03/2019 10:10

My area voted 62.7% to remain. Our MP is an ERG member and said in the HoC that she refused to be "cowed" by her constituents.

So the takeaway message from that is not to write to your MP for fear they decide its a conspiracy and do the reverse!

YouBumder · 31/03/2019 10:18

If a man with the intellectual capacity, gravitas and capability of Grieve isn’t safe in the Conservatives, God help us all.

I agree.

I blame TM squarely for all this she’s pandered and sucked up to the far right of her party whilst ignoring the moderates. The woman is an incompetent disgrace.

madroid · 31/03/2019 10:20

It's a bit prescious to object to people expressing disagreement in a political party!

Clavinova · 31/03/2019 10:25

JRM is another Leaver in a Remain constituency.
Surely not?!

I've just checked - JRM tweeted;

"According to Chris Hanretty of the University of East Anglia, who calculated the Brexit vote by constituency, North East Somerset was 52.1% Leave 47.9% Remain.I notice some people are confusing the constituency with the local authority."

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HPFA · 31/03/2019 10:35

It's a bit prescious to object to people expressing disagreement in a political party!

"Excuse me, Mr Grieve but are you sure those figures are correct. I have here a report from Very Reputable Economist that thinks that is a miscalculation because......"

Not shouting "liar" and "traitor" at someone quoting figures from a government publication simply because you don't like hearing the truth.

If you give business a whole new burden of paperwork then costs rise. How do those people called "customs brokers" make a living if this were not the case?

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Windowsareforcheaters · 31/03/2019 10:52

madroid are leavers being "precious" when they object to being called thick?

Or is it only rude when leavers are called names it's fine to insult Remainers?

SaskiaRembrandt · 31/03/2019 11:53

Not shouting "liar" and "traitor" at someone quoting figures from a government publication simply because you don't like hearing the truth.

This ^.

LondonResident · 31/03/2019 12:34

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MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 31/03/2019 13:49

If there's one thing I've learned from this it's that Leavers are obsessed with the idea of democracy and democratic processes. And yet, at the same time, think it's completely and utterly ok to call their democratically elected parliamentary representatives 'traitors' for simply doing the job they were elected to do within that democracy.

I will genuinely never stop being baffled at the level of cognitive dissonance required to hold those two views simultaneously. It's almost a talent.

Tomtontom · 31/03/2019 13:56

@LondonResident You need to be a paid up party member for at least three months before any leadership campaign. It's far too late to join now.

Tanith · 31/03/2019 14:37

They need to throw these people out of the party.

Labour did that when certain factions (including a local idiot Tory counsellor) joined up with the sole objective of causing trouble.

DailyMailSucksWails · 31/03/2019 14:52

Is this really so different from Kate Hoey's censure & likely deselection?

Please understand me. I especially loathed KH when she said (this morning on Broadcasting house) that "Europe needs us more than we need them" and other patent absurdities. I don't like KH at all. But Thing is, she has been deselected for sticking to what she believes is best, much like DG, in spite of how her constituency voted & what her local party prefers.

MaudBaileysGreenTurban · 31/03/2019 14:58

I don't think that KH received the VONC due to entryists into her constituency though? I think that's the really worrying aspect of this.

Plus, her constituency is over 77% remain as opposed to Grieve's 51% so one could argue that Grieve is on a stickier wicket I suppose and she talks unmitigated shite

SaskiaRembrandt · 31/03/2019 16:41

Labour might have thrown some people out, but they seem to be turning a blind eye to the misogyny and Antisemitism.

nothingwittyhere · 31/03/2019 17:30

clarinova I was going from this: www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results/local/b
Every search I've done uses BaNES as the reference point for his referendum result. So I think JRM has searched out an atypical statistic to avoid the impression that he's not representing his constituents.

ilovesooty · 31/03/2019 18:34

I'm not a Tory voter but I think what has happened to Dominic Grieve is appalling.

Clavinova · 31/03/2019 21:29

clarinova I was going from this ^www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/eu_referendum/results/local/b
Every search I've done uses BaNES as the reference point for his referendum result.So I think JRM has searched out an atypical statistic to avoid the impression that he's not representing his constituents.^

He is correct though, that Bath and North East Somerset is a local authority area;

JRM (Conservative) is the MP for North East Somerset.

Wera Hobhouse (Liberal Democrats) is the MP for Bath.

JRM certainly doesn't represent a Liberal Democrat constituency.

eurochick · 31/03/2019 22:02

I agree that it's awful. It has had little media coverage. Friday wasn't exactly a slow news day but the implications of this could be bigger than just one constituency.

AnonymousAdopter · 31/03/2019 22:14

My parents, in their 80s, attended this meeting. They have been passive members of the conservative party for decades.

My DF voted leave because he felt the EU we are in now was not the EEC he signed up to. Personally I (and my DB) disagree with him, but he absolutely is not racist, he just (maybe being of the war generation) views an 'independent' Britain as preferable to one that has to follow the way the EU is headed (especially as the EU accounts never get signed off).

Anyway. His view was that the Tory party were elected to the current government on a Brexit means Brexit manifesto and to follow through with the result of the referendum and he was not happy that his MP keeps voting against the proposed deal.