"Not delivering Brexit would be a betrayal of democracy"

[YeOldeTrout]

Paraphrasing a commonly held view. More articulated:

People who have never voted for anything before, believed in something so much that they went to the polling stations in their droves. They gave our Parliament the largest electoral mandate ever in our history. Yet if we do not leave on March 29, the hope we once had in our democracy will be eviscerated.

Explain why that isn't absurd. Why should people who never could be arsed to engage in politics previously, and probably never will bother again, get to hold the country hostage, decide our fate, with no chance for democracy to verify the course? Why does their one-off interest in this issue mean this vote is so special and must not be tampered with.

Does anyone genuinely think these disengaged ppl will ever vote again? Is it thought this is precisely the constituency who will riot if they don't get their way?

Is it the right thing to do politically to give into a fractious angry mostly silent minority? Is that what politicians are afraid of?

Why should people who never could be arsed to engage in politics previously, and probably never will bother again, get to hold the country hostage,

I agree - surely the loyal regular diligent voters are equally important.

It's especially galling when a one off public opinion is unassailable three years later.
Yet Parliament's vote has been sought on the same issue twice within the space of a few days!

Democracy is ever evolving. Democracy is dynamic and not static.

The referendum was advisory only and not valid because

• illegal campaign by the Leave campaign
• targeted Facebook ads, social media campaign, social media data manipulation. (Clear your cookies). These type of data manipulation targeted those who never engaged in politics before
• majority should be like in other countries, I.e 2/3 of votes

Brexit is a Tory shitshow. Even if we revoke- billions of money has been spent to this shitshow, hundreds of thousand jobs have been lost, almost trillion pounds of asset have already relocated out of UK.

You could argue that delivering Brexit is a betrayal of the 16 million of us who voted remain.

I agree that the majority should have been set at 2/3. Or at least 60%.

Thee are sub groups of people in leave that voted for:

• Hard Brexit /WTO rules
• Norway style
• Customs union

etc etc

Nothing is going to please the leave voters because "leave the EU" was ambiguous and all kind of promises were being thrown around.
Unfortunately, they did say they would act on whatever the result was, so their hands are tied.

Unfortunately, they did say they would act on whatever the result was, so their hands are tied.

{a) they have acted on the result. They triggered the negotiations to work out how best to deliver brexit. They have found out that the only way to deliver brexit is something that doesn't bear much resemblance to what was being promised in 2016. A confirmation vote to check whether the population is really keen on this now that the promises have proven false is the only sensible path

(b) their hands are not tied. Parliament is sovereign. MPs have made a vow to act in the best interests of the country and they have an absolute legal right and moral duty to do so, even if that does contravene the result of a referendum which gained a tiny 4% margin for leave through lying, illegal funding and dodgy data exploitation.

A confirmation vote to check whether the population is really keen on this now that the promises have proven false is the only sensible path

Agree. It's been proven the Leave campaign was based on lies (e.g. more money for the NHS). They never mentioned job losses, food/fuel/medicine shortages etc..

Agree. It's been proven the Leave campaign was based on lies (e.g. more money for the NHS). They never mentioned job losses, food/fuel/medicine shortages etc..

It was mentioned. People chose not to listen.

The Ballot Paper presented a choice of "Leave the European Union" or "Remain a Member of the European Union."

The vote was a manifesto promise of the Conservatives in 2015, who promised to honour the result. David Cameron in particular promised that if the vote was to Leave, then he would carry out that wish of the electorate.

Cameron did a runner. He was replaced by May who called an election and lost her majority.

In that election, Labour's manifesto accepted the result of the referendum but said:

"We will reject ‘no deal’ as a viable option and if needs be negotiate
transitional arrangements to avoid a 'cliff-edge’ for the economy."

The Libs, SNP and PC all opposed Brexit.