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What would be more harmful to the Tory party?

25 replies

OutwithMyRemit · 19/03/2019 15:02

Harmful in terms of party cohesion and/or the number of votes they might get at the next GE.

  1. Saying Brexit is undeliverable and revoking
Or
  1. Allowing No Deal and the resultant chaos to happen.
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bellinisurge · 19/03/2019 15:13

I think the first.

BlackForestCake · 19/03/2019 18:31

Short term 1, long term 2.

The likes of Jo Johnson recognise that people who are young now will never forgive the Tories for Brexit, and that he will be trying to get their votes in ten years' time.

Redshoeblueshoe · 19/03/2019 18:33

Or 3. Corbyn quitting

DullPortraits · 19/03/2019 18:36

For as long as JC leads labour and the likes of DA are on his front bench it doesn't matter if the conservatives say they will kill a puppy for every vote they get.. they will win a GE every time. Labour cant even oppose never mind lead government.

OutwithMyRemit · 19/03/2019 19:26

Interesting replies, thanks everyone. I agree that whilst JC leads Labour it probably doesn't matter what they do.

It's worrying that 1 seems the most damaging though (even if just in the short term), because that makes it more likely if we end up in a Revoke or No Deal situation No Deal will be the outcome Sad

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Doubletrouble99 · 19/03/2019 20:04

No 1 definitely. Their party would never forgive them and any trust the public might have in our politicians would be lost.

Tonsilss · 19/03/2019 20:10
  1. Brexiters think that Brexit will be good. Lots of others think it will be ok. A no deal Brexit will be a big shock, and all trust in politicians will be gone.
nuttynutjob · 19/03/2019 20:19

1 will be more harmful

As if a No Deal Brexit happens, the Tory party can blame Labour, Corbyn, EU, Supreme Court, Bercow etc.

lonelyplanetmum · 19/03/2019 20:26

I agree with Nutty.

1 will be more harmful** as it splits the Torys -as this issue always has done.

With 2 the Tory party can blame the will of the people, the Irish and NI, Labour for not voting with them, Corbyn, Bercow, the world economy, Internet shopping, USA trade wars, foreigners, Muslims, the mean EU, the weather, the wrong kind of leaves on the line.

malificent7 · 19/03/2019 21:36

As long as they destroy themselves i don't care.

jasjas1973 · 19/03/2019 23:11

any trust the public might have in our politicians would be lost

That ship sailed long ago, 30 to 40% of the electorate are sooo pissed off with our MPs, they rarely, if ever vote.

If May had any wisdom, she'd attach a PV on the back of her deal, unfortunately for the country, May has none and history will judge her as worst PM the UK has ever had.

HeyThoughIWalk · 19/03/2019 23:13

Is that you, Theresa?

BeersTonight2000 · 20/03/2019 06:44

T May will be forced to choose no deal over revoke as she will be able to say she delivered Brexit which was the will of the people even though it seems to accepted that no deal will lead to short term chaos.

Revoking is the biggest disaster for the Tory party as it is the same as saying to people that their vote does not count.

Thinkinghappythoughts · 20/03/2019 09:20

Revoking is the biggest disaster for the Tory party as it is the same as saying to people that their vote does not count.

When you consider that there was only a couple of percent between those who voted yes and those who voted know, a fairly large number of the population have been repeatedly told that their view doesn't count. The conservatives have totally alienated them.

But I know what you mean. The voice of the leavers is far shriller and louder than that of the remainers. Remainers are unlikely to vote Tory anyway. So to revoke would kill off their core voters.

It is so sad that Brexit has boiled down to party politics and career moves than what is genuinely good for the country. Look at all the Tory MPs that were remain for the referendum and switched to leave afterwards - supposedly because of EU bullying and arrogance. Oh the irony.

MrsTerryPratchett · 20/03/2019 09:56

Short term 1, long term 2.

History will remember these gobshites.

lonelyplanetmum · 20/03/2019 10:32

saying to people that their vote does not count ...

TM has said more than once that many people who voted in the ref were especially important as they were people who don't normally vote.

It mystifies me why those of us who have voted faithfully in all elections for 30+ years have been ignored. Somehow our votes count less than one off voters.

MockerstheFeManist · 20/03/2019 10:56

Meanwhile, the Brexit Day Party in a brewery has been cancelled.

BeersTonight2000 · 20/03/2019 11:18

Meanwhile, the Brexit Day Party in a brewery has been cancelled

Can’t have a Brexit day party until Brexit happens which so far it has not.

PerkingFaintly · 20/03/2019 11:29

That's weird, lonelyplanetmum, I hadn't picked up on that.

Does she mean, "We've no fecking idea which way the people who don't usually vote will jump on other issues, so we're terrified and want them to love us? Just in case they've go into the habit of voting?"

Fazackerley · 20/03/2019 11:30

Or 3. Corbyn quitting

Absolutely this!!!

PerkingFaintly · 20/03/2019 11:37

BTW, what would actually happen if the Tory party fell apart completely?

I mean, I'm no fan [world's largest understatement], and at the moment they are clearly dysfunctional and being herded by deeply disturbing fuckers like Rees-Mogg.

But I'd always kinda assumed that, whichever party was in power, the opposition was there to hold them to account. We've had long periods where that hasn't worked particularly well (famously couldn't get a cigarette paper between Nu Labour & moderate Tories), but what would happen if there actually wasn't a Tory party?

What would rise to fill the gap?

Tonsilss · 20/03/2019 18:00

Maybe we would get a new central party, and a very right wing party, made up of UKIP and many members of the current Tory party.

Songsofexperience · 20/03/2019 18:02

I'm pissed off with the Tories- they can rot as far as I'm concerned- and with the piss-poor opposition that has enabled this situation. Shame on them all!

lljkk · 20/03/2019 20:04

Frying Pan Fire Frying Pan Fire... so many terrible choices.

Songsofexperience · 20/03/2019 20:11

I didn't know crap came in so many different flavours.

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