So if 1 EU country says no to delay it's over

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So, if just one EU country says no to the delay then that's it right? Out with no deal. Does anyone think that could happen? Any likely suspects?

That will not happen. It is in everyone’s interest for the UK to leave with a deal.

Twitter rumours think Italy. Aaron Banks has been lurking over there this week.

Anything is possible at this stage though!

Poland, Italy, Hungary, the Brexit bunch are trying to appeal to the far right governments.

One thing that scares me more than Brexit is the rise of the far right, and the UK joining their nasty ilk.

I think they will all hold together and agree it. But what about the European elections. With Brexit hanging around like a bad smell.

One thing that scares me more than Brexit is the rise of the far right, and the UK joining their nasty ilk

Too late for that, UK needs to wake up to how far right the Tories really are, they've achieved more on immigration, benefits and the EU than any populist party in europe has.

It is in everyone’s interest for the UK to leave with a deal.

This is true, but how likely is it that an extension is going to mean the government getting its act together?

I think we could revoke without agreement from anyone else - it went to the European Court of Justice. But delays are not in anyone else's interests, are they? They want the uncertainty to end. It would be funny how desperately in need of European good will we are and how much of it we are using up while so much of our media and politicians keep calling them dictators, bullies and generally nasty, if it were not so bloody mindlessly stupid, or important.

Surely the EU can't give in to UKs demands as it opens the possibility of other EU countries wanting out.
The only options are the UK decides to revoke article 50; it goes out with no deal, or it goes out with Theresa May's in between option.
I know what I'd want out of these 3 crap choices!!

So, if just one EU country says no to the delay then that's it right?

Yes.

Surely the EU can't give in to UKs demands as it opens the possibility of other EU countries wanting out

That's why EU is opposed to Brexit. Afraid of the domino effect.

Correct, I think it's a given that at least one will say no. Italy, Spain, and Poland are the most likely candidates.

No deal Brexit is pretty likely, either by veto, or just plain dithering about running out of time.

That's the power of democracy in each individual country of the EU.

The UK love to portray the EU as an undemocratic system. The reality is that it is so democratic that even the smallest counry's voice will be heard.

The UK has the power within the EU. We have the power of Veto. That's massive. I don't know why we would want to give it all up?

After 2,5 years the UK is still undecided about what to do. I don't think a delay will help. It might be better for the unrest if the EU says no to a delay. It's time to stop pissing about and choose something. The UK has used no deal as a bargaining position so much that the EU has spent a lot of time and money preparing for it. There were different deal options but none were good enough. A special deal was made but it's still not good enough. Nothing is good enough for the UK. The UK keeps thinking that it holds all the cards but forgets that it takes two to make a deal, both parties need to agree to the terms. The UK keeps asking for a lot of time and attention from the EU while the EU could do with that time to work on one of their 27 countries. The UK is not more important than 27 countries, it would do well to stop with that arrogance.

And as for the EU being afraid that Brexit will cause some mass exodus: the past 2,5 years have shown that it is a bad idea for the economy and unrest to keave the EU. I haven't read anywhere of other countries being interested at the moment.

And as for the EU being afraid that Brexit will cause some mass exodus: the past 2,5 years have shown that it is a bad idea for the economy and unrest to keave the EU. I haven't read anywhere of other countries being interested at the moment

Italy is top of the list. Have a look on the link if you are interested

www.dailyfx.com/forex/fundamental/article/special_report/2018/11/16/Which-Countries-Want-to-Leave-the-EU-After-Brexit-Euro-Analysis.html

So far, the Italian coalition government – led by the populist League and the anti-establishment Five Star Movement – has been adamant that Italy will not leave either the EU or the Eurozone, with Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte telling journalists in October: “Read my lips: for Italy there is no chance of Italexit, to get out of Europe or the Eurozone.”

This is what Italy is saying. That one british journalist says otherwise doesn't mean a thing.

That one british journalist says otherwise doesn't mean a thing

Based on what is happening in UK it looks like what governments say does not mean a thing either.

No matter what you might like (leavers are always v keen to see europe implode) few if any european parties have the promise of an 'exit referendum in their manifesto's.

But don't let facts get in the way of your dreams lol!

Op I always tend to find that what seems to be accepted as brext fact gets a bit woolier when it actually comes to pass. We are being misinformed and confused at every turn.

We can revoke A50 though, so can avoid a no deal scenario that way. (I mean if there was the political will).

So what I mean is just because we're being told kow that each country holds the power to veto, I suspect that will change.

That's why EU is opposed to Brexit. Afraid of the domino effect.

The EU states are not "opposed to Brexit". All countries would prefer the UK stays in, but no one is opposed to the exit. The EU states are, however, opposed to the UK leaving the EU in way that will be harmful to them, in particular where the UK plans to abscond from its obligations under GFA.

I do think an extension agreement is likely.
“Smaller” countries within the EU will effectively be coerced in to agreeing an extension.
“That help you need with migrants crossing the Mediterranean? Yeah.. you need to agree an extension for that”
“That subsidy you’d quite like for X, you need to agree an extension for that”

There is a clear offer on the table that means we can Leave. It's a reasonable offer because it was created jointly. If you don't accept WA, with all its flaws, you risk either Revoke or No Brexit.
Get over yourselves and write to your MP telling them to support WA .

Yes all EU countries have to agree, Brexiteers keep forgetting the Eu isn’t a nation state in iteself and collective agreement is required. It’s true countries and their EU reps can often be less forgiving than the central EU administration.

They might also have entirely different concerns that would motivate them to say no.

If we get desperate we could revoke rather than extend but we’d have to be pretty desperate.

It's time to stop pissing about and choose something
Agreed (& that something should be revoke )