Could Brexit be cancelled!?

[chocolateroses]

The other threads are really long so I hope it's ok I start a new one with this exact question.

1. Could the public be asked to re vote on Brexit?

1. If the new vote favoured 'no brexit' would the EU have to accept we then wanted to stay!? Or could they demand we leave because we've pissed them off?

1. Could parliament decide to vote to cancel Brexit by themselves!? Or would it have to go back to the public?

1. Do you think a new vote to remain would lead to actual riots?

P.s. thanks in advance 😊

All parliament would have to do to revoke brexit is to send a letter. It’s not dependent on a new public vote or EU acceptance.

It would be a politically challenging thing to do though.

I vote for the letter...

Thank you @LaurieMarlow

We absolutely can chose not to leave, some Scottish mps went to a lot of trouble and took this to the European court who declared article 50 could be revoked.

Due to the nature of the U.K. constitution-

The first referendum is advisory only, Westminster is under no obligation to persue this. In fact, if we do leave, the parliament would be able to replay to join the EU without the need for another referendum, but obviously doing that might not be a politically astute decision.

But, I don’t believe the current government have the will to revoke or delay.

yes to the letter! and people who lied to the public and got us into this mess eg gove, rees mogg etc should be fined to contribute to the crippling cost thus far

I think we can revoke article 50 at any point before 29th March and it would be like nothing ever happened (kinda). That won't happen but there will probably be an extension and then potentially another referendum/general election that could lead to revoking.

Sadly I don't believe a second referendum would give a different result so I'm resigned to a shit future for me and my family.

yes to the letter! and people who lied to the public and got us into this mess eg gove, rees mogg etc should be fined to contribute to the crippling cost thus far

I agree. There is not one single constituency in the UK that will benefit from leaving the U.K. A no deal will be catastrophic for many. Only very wealthy individuals will benefit from this, it’s shameful.

*. Leaving the EU I mean, it’s been a long day 😴

I don’t want another referendum. A scan of any comments page shows that vast swathes of the population still believe even the most barking bexiteer propaganda. I want our MPs to stand up and be brave and risk their careers to make the right decision for the country.

Can I write the letter? I'm sure I'd manage a decent May signature

Dear EU

We've changed our minds.

Love and hugs,

Theresa x

PS Drinks at Chequers this weekend?

1. Could the public be asked to re vote on Brexit?

Yes, and I hope that we do get the opportunity. However, the real question is about what exactly we'd be asked to choose between.

2. If the new vote favoured 'no brexit' would the EU have to accept we then wanted to stay!? Or could they demand we leave because we've pissed them off?

No, we probably have pissed them off but we can unilaterally revoke Article 50 without the agreement of the EU27. On balance, despite the huge amount of time and money that has been wasted on Brexit, I think they'd welcome the decision.

3. Could parliament decide to vote to cancel Brexit by themselves!? Or would it have to go back to the public?

Yes, parliament could just decide to cancel the whole shit show without going back to the public. However, politically, that would be very difficult. I think there would need to be a clear mandate for revoking Article 50 - either a vote to remain in a second referendum or a general election which was won on the back of a remain manifesto.

4. Do you think a new vote to remain would lead to actual riots?

Probably not. There might be a bit of civil unrest/violence from far right groups seeking to exploit the opportunity, but I don't think it will be widespread. I suspect there would be a much greater risk of riots if we crashed out with no deal.

1. Could the public be asked to re vote on Brexit?

A second referendum is possible, but what happens if the result is leave?

2. If the new vote favoured 'no brexit' would the EU have to accept we then wanted to stay!? Or could they demand we leave because we've pissed them off?

EU does not want UK to leave otherwise they would not have attempted to thwart Brexit from the beginning.

3. Could parliament decide to vote to cancel Brexit by themselves!? Or would it have to go back to the public?

Article 50 could be revoked, but that means government will never be trusted again

4. Do you think a new vote to remain would lead to actual riots?

Yes just like the riots about the Poll Tax in 1990. As there has been a reduction in police by over 20,000 they may be more difficult to control. Would not be surprised if some terrorists took advantage to make trouble and declare themselves to be leave voter patriots?

EU does not want UK to leave otherwise they would not have attempted to thwart Brexit from the beginning

I disagree with the statement thatthey have attempted to thwart Brexit. The UK asked for the things that are not in the interests of the EU so they said 'no'.
The EU has also suggested things that the UK feels are not in their interests and have also said 'no'.
Is that what tou mean with thwarting?

Chocolateroses..... yes, with knowing nothing about you I can with full confidence take a highly educated guess that you would be more qualified that May’s shitty government at writing our letter.

In fact make a start right now and you can email it over by 9am and we can all go back to normal at last.

Dear important EU people,

Please accept my apologies for this utter fuck up.

We have changed our minds.

Hopefully one day we can forget all about it. Or meet for a drink, look back at this and laugh about the twatty weasels Gove, Farage and Johnson. Although that does disrespect weasels, they do have backbones after all. Slugs maybe?

LOLs!!!

Best,
Theresa XOXO

It could be but I doubt it now.

TM’s deal will be tweeked one last time & it will go through ( eventually )

I don’t want another referendum. A scan of any comments page shows that vast swathes of the population still believe even the most barking bexiteer propaganda. I want our MPs to stand up and be brave and risk their careers to make the right decision for the country

This.

And none of this "democracy is dead" rubbish. Cameron's government said "we will implement what you decide". So May's government triggered Art 50 and 2 years trying to sort out a deal. It is not undemocratic to say that it cannot be done in a way that is acceptable. The government has done its best. Well maybe not, given the stupid red lines. But it has tried.

And as someone said on another forum, democracy is not the same as populism.

Could parliament decide to vote to cancel Brexit by themselves!? Or would it have to go back to the public?

Parliament was voted for to represent our interests and they were voted for after the referendum, therefore why would it need to go back to the people to vote

The EU has also suggested things that the UK feels are not in their interests and have also said 'no'.

EU suggestions equate to remain which is against the leave vote. That's why May's deal has been heavily defeated twice.

I reckon:

• An extension will be sought;

-EU will agree but only if 9 months; -May will offer choice between her deal and 9 months; -House will go with her deal; -All stockpiled Brexit food will be eaten over Easter; -GE in May; -Eventual relationship will be Norway plus plus.

It is not undemocratic to say that it cannot be done in a way that is acceptable

Trying to please everyone at the same time cannot be done either.

When referendum was promised government thought remain would win easily which might explain why they did not consider things like the GFA. However, after the result you would have thought Government would have looked more closely at the implications of leave before they initiated Article 50 and whether or not leave, regardless of the various ways leave can happen, would be legally possible taking into account the GFA.

If it was established that leave would violate an existing treaty such as GFA they could have told voters that leave is not possible legally and therefore Article 50 will not be started. Big embarrassment for the UK government and the rest of the world would have laughed, but would have been better than the mess UK is in now and the rest of the world is laughing anyway.

But BeersTonight2000 you’re basically saying we’re tied to the EU forever no matter what.
I wouldn’t be happy with that even if I were a hardcore remainer.

We can leave the E.U. and not violate GFA quite easily now - if MPs support the WA. It is that simple.