No deal off the table

[StealthPolarBear]

Will be interesting to see what happens next

As many other have said, no deal is far from off the table.

It is still the default and we CANNOT unilaterally change that. We will have to ask the E.U. to amend their law and we will need to amend ours.

This could come with huge conditions from the E.U., as frankly they need to get on with their own business and stop having things put on hold because of us.

they are voting on the main motion now

JRM may be speaking the truth but by god he is annoying.

'TM's deal,No deal, revoke Article 50 and remain?'
No Deal is NOT A THING. People cannot be given the chance to make another catastrophic decision. The choice would have to be May's shitty deal, or Remain and try to put this disgusting episode behind us

Oh my,

No deal is off the table, the prime minister committed yesterday to pass into legislation what was voted for today. She cannot go back on this without being held in contempt of parliament. It's done. No deal is off the table.

So it's not revoke or a deal. That's it. That's the two options, factually. There is no third no deal option, her hands are now tied.

So it is revoke or no deal.,,,sorry typo.

It looks like it was close, but my understanding is that this is because it was an opposition amendment rather than the government's motion, which they didn't vote in because the amendment passed anyway. Had they gone on to have a vote on the government's motion against no deal then the majority would have been much larger. Allegedly some Tories voted against this amendment precisely because they wanted a huge majority on the government's motion against No Deal to give the finger to the ERG.

Strange comments here? The EU will most likely grant an extension if there's something to extend for ie a referendum or general election.

Ffs, revoke or a deal. Sticky typing,

It looks like it was close, but my understanding is that this is because it was an opposition amendment rather than the government's motion

Yes, she whipped her mps to vote against it, if she had not it would have been voted for by a much bigger majority, but as it was it. Was vote against itnor be fired or resign.

If you have a 3option referendum you need to think about it very carefully to avoid splitting votes..for example some people might vote remain and others for the deal but what they really want is to avoid no deal. Voting for your first and second choice for example or a vote over multiple days , so that the first vote rules out the least popular choice

Evening standard website says that a motion to delay until 22 May was heavily defeated. I don't understand. Why vote against no deal but also vote against delaying?!?

As I understand, it was to delay until 22 May but commit to no deal, so we’d have 2 months to prepare for an “orderly” no deal and no further negotiations. V pleased this was voted down.

OK, I have mostly kept up with Brexit news, even though I'm essentially pilitaclly illiterate. But this update totally confused me...
What actually is going on now?!
I'm properly poorly, on steroids and antibiotics so I'm blaming my cognitive impairment on that.

Give it to me in proper simple terms...

Omg *politically

I see this as a statement of intent. They'll do bwhat it takes to prevent mo deal. Except I don't think that includes revoke. So I think it'll be extend, tweak deal and suddentl they ll all support it.

I think we'll end up staying in the customs union. Which is economically the best idea, but fucking waste of the last three years

Yes

@StealthPolarBear yes I think TM has played a blinder here actually. The choices are basically her deal or 2nd referendum now. Brexiteers are terrified of a 2nd referendum - think the deal might find a bit more support now. I hope we do get another ref though.

The majority that voted against no deal was a lot less than the majority that voted against the May WA.

Does this suggest that no deal is preferred of the May WA?

THE eu have to agree to an extension though or no deal will just happen

The EU don't have to do a damn thing.

The UK do not have any bargaining power and unless Article 50 is successfully revoked, the EU can carry on without us.

Just because they've squeaked a vote through taking 'No Deal' off the table, doesn't mean that 'No Deal' IS off the table.

This is frightening.

Sigh, this really isn't complex.

For all intents and purposes no deal is off the table. It's only on technically. But it will technically also be taken off. This is a commitment the government has given the house, it cannot be renaged on with out Teresa May being held in contempt of parliament, she has confirmed she will not renage on it.

What's happening now, is parliament need to decide what the fuck happens next, she cannot technically take it off the table until she knows this.

So today, we will have more votes, and this time about the extension we want. Do we wish to now agree her deal, and have a short technical delay to allow it to be implemebted, or do we wish a longer delay, of one to two years, which would give us time to renegotiate it, have a new prime minister or a second referendum,.

If the house votes today for a short extension and they will agree her deal, she will go for a third meaningful vote and then request the eu gives a short extension to implement the deal

If rhe house votes for a longer extension as they do still not wish her deal, then she will request the eu gives us a longer extension of one or two years.

Both of which the eu will agree to. What they will not agree is simple it's a shirt extension when she doesn't have her deal agreed, they won't a clear path forward.

So right now it's unclear if it's her deal and a short extension, or a longer extension.

And that will be made clear today, we will know tonight, either way we are not coming out on the 29th and we will not leave with no deal.

Right now the 29th and no deal is still technically in the table for no other reason than the vote was only last night, and the extension votes are today. It's simply they are going through the process, but. A commitment is made and will not be broken.

Brexiteers should be scared of a second referendum.
I think she will try her Deal one more time and it will pass. Because the alternative is now no Brexit.

The point is that parliament has expressed it's clear voice, at last, that No Deal is not acceptable. Contrary to the misinformation of some in the leave campaign, parliament is sovereign in this country and the rules are designed to enable parliament to stop a government which is acting against the country's interests. This has finally happened. So although No Deal is still legally the default position constitutionally May has to do something to stop it or she will be in contempt of parliament, again.

Brexiteers should be scared of a second referendum

And if the vote is leave again what happens next?

I think she will try her Deal one more time and it will pass

149 majority is a lot to overturn in the space of one week.

Because the alternative is now no Brexit

Some think May's deal is remain because of the Irish border issues. I think they will try to extend Article 50 first.

Whatever happens it is a mess all round.