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Brexit

Brexit is divide and conquer politics.

25 replies

malificent7 · 06/02/2019 06:29

I cannot hell feeling that such a divisive referendum has served the ruling powees well....if you keep the ordinary folk divided they are less likely to rise up against z ruling class.
Win win.... if you are Jocob Rees Mogg.

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malificent7 · 06/02/2019 06:29

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malificent7 · 06/02/2019 06:29

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SisterOfDonFrancisco · 06/02/2019 06:41

Agreed.

bellinisurge · 06/02/2019 06:43

Neat trick, isn't it. I heard JRM onthe radio the other day. All "trust me I'm a posh boy " modulated tones and calm language and then sneaks in a "£36bn as a ransom for our freedom". Well, if a posh educated boy says it in such a naice way, it must be true.
Utter fucker.

MeganBacon · 06/02/2019 07:07

Nobody benefits from this level of division and no-one wanted it. It’s an unintended consequence. The mark of any politician in the next decade will be how well they heal the division. The interesting thing about parliament is how natural opponents such as JRM and Soubry end up voting the same way and that’s how to get a course of action agreed. But it is just paranoid to suggest anybody wanted this level of uncertainty.

bellinisurge · 06/02/2019 07:20

Disaster capitalists want this level of chaos; left extremists want this level of chaos to provide "the answer". Can you see any of those? Lots and lots and lots.
Divide and conquer as the op suggests.

bellinisurge · 06/02/2019 07:22

In case you missed it, JRM's dad actually wrote a book on making money from disaster.

CoteDAzur · 06/02/2019 07:25

"Disaster capitalists want this level of chaos"

Nonsense. Capital flees chaos. It even flees uncertainty. That is why companies have already started moving their HQs out of the UK.

What capitalists love is stability (political, economic, legal) of which the UK has none at the moment.

bellinisurge · 06/02/2019 07:36

What disaster capitalists want is chaos. It's a subset of capitalists. Not the nice pluralist democrat capitalists. There's a difference.

bellinisurge · 06/02/2019 07:38

There is money to be made in a scorched earth economy. Not well regulated money making. Nasty exploitational bastards.

MeganBacon · 06/02/2019 07:40

Someone’s Dad wrote a (very unfortunately titled) book about how to make money when markets move. And somehow you equate this to mean the son engineered the current national crisis deliberately for personal gain, like some scheming Bond villain.

Babdoc · 06/02/2019 07:45

This is all a bit tin foil hat conspiracy theory! I don’t think Brexit was some crafty master plan, it was Cameron trying to sort out the Eurosceptics in his party by being able to say “the people” voted to stay in Europe.
He never dreamed for one moment that the U.K. would vote to leave. He lived in a Londoncentric bubble, and had no idea of the feeling in the provinces.
We’re now stuck with dealing with the consequences.

bellinisurge · 06/02/2019 07:47

It's a happy consequence for these twats not a conspiracy. I don't believe in conspiracies. I believe in people seeing opportunities.

MsTSwift · 06/02/2019 07:47

A good leader can keep opposed factions in check. Where’s Elizabeth I when you need her?

bellinisurge · 06/02/2019 07:49

A op asked in whose interest this is. I answered. It's an opportunity for canny twats. I'm wrong or I'm not. I don't care.

Peregrina · 06/02/2019 08:25

It's not just Cameron - it's the total inept way of handling the result which has made things worse. I just hope that this sorry lot of MPs, of pretty much all parties, are chased out of politics within the next few years, and then perhaps we can get some decent ones in.

I am a believer of it being disaster capitalisism, whether it was planned or nor, or is a "happy" accident. The Jacob Rees-Mogg's of the world will make a nice pile of extra money, as will Philip May, and will be able to leave the country when it all goes tits up; the Jill and Joe Smiths will be stuck here.

MeganBacon · 06/02/2019 08:33

The OP suggested the current chaos was planned but it looks like an unintended consequence to me. Being resourceful enough to seize an opportunity to make money does not make someone a ‘twat’.

jasjas1973 · 06/02/2019 08:41

The OP suggested the current chaos was planned but it looks like an unintended consequence to me. Being resourceful enough to seize an opportunity to make money does not make someone a ‘twat’

The ERG types have had 40 plus years to formulate their ideas on a post brexit UK, DC might not have realised what he was doing but you can bet your last euro that the ERG did.

Liam Fox wants to see zero tariffs across all imports and P.Minford certainly has planned for brexit, May cannot bring herself to rule out USA involvement in the NHS - an "socialist" organisation the Tories have long despised.

HoneywithLemon · 06/02/2019 08:41

Hardly an unintended consequence - I am sure that JRM has a basic grasp of what might happen when one divorces oneself for one's biggest trading partner. JRM knows exactly what he is doing. Did you hear his comments on Nissan on R4 the other day sharply blaming the EU for the diesel issue and the CEO who is under investigation for misconduct, of course it's nothing to do with he brexit shambles.

bellinisurge · 06/02/2019 09:03

No. Being resourceful and making money does not make you a twat. Exploiting people's fears and raising your profile by formenting misery does make you a twat. Calling someone a capitalist isn't an insult. It's a good thing. Calling someone a disaster capitalist is an insult. JRM and his ilk are comfy with chaos as a money making opportunity. Corbyn and his ilk are also comfy with chaos as a power grabbing opportunity. Being a centrist, which I am, has become a dirty word. Just because I think it's nice to be nice doesn't mean I can't spot a manipulative twat when I see one.

MeganBacon · 06/02/2019 09:04

If this is not an unintended consequence and Jrm knows exactly what he is doing and planned for every bit of this chaos to pan out as it has, he would have to have monumental powers of foresight verging on clairvoyance and be selfish to the point of evil. Bond villain in fact. Truth is we are where we are through incompetence not design and some lucky people will cash in and others will suffer.

Peregrina · 06/02/2019 09:09

JRM knows exactly what he is doing - he has been brought up on it. It may not work out as he expects, but it's been OK for him so far. Cameron, May, no they didn't or don't, but neither of them are sufficiently astute to recognise what's happening.

malificent7 · 06/02/2019 15:56

He is very astute...look at the way he was saying that Theresa May had done very badly when she had WON a vote.

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nuttynutjob · 07/02/2019 05:49

Serious money can be made if the UK have a No Deal Brexit.

However, this will be at the back of someone else's misery.

Slatterna · 07/02/2019 23:17

I've been saying this right from the start.

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