Mad with leave voters.

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Such as my dad who is very comfortably off and wont be around to see the turmoil play out.
We havn't fallen out bit im pissed off.

Why not channel your rage to David Cameron. He didn't have to promise a referendum in his manifesto. He included it to win votes.
Channel your rage towards Euro leaders who wouldn't make concessions about our membership before the referendum was called.
Your father merely voted for what he believed was right for the UK at the time.
None of us know when we are going to die. A 40 year old could die tomorrow. A 70 year old could live another 25 years.

I really sympathise op but have mixed feelings about Leavers.

I think there are some who voted for "change" because they felt disenfranchised and forgotten, because their wages hadn't risen in over a decade but all their costs had, and because in some areas with no industry and no hope, a vote for something "different" albeit unspecific, was worth a punt.

The only Leavers I know personally are white, over fifty, comfortably off, fairly right-wing, who admire Boris Johnson for his "chutzpah" believe it or not! (One is married to a French woman fhs!) The other is ex forces who wants Britain "to be great again" (sigh).

I reserve my ire for the second group.

I'm trying to channel my contemp at anyone who is for No Deal. Which is not all Leave voters. The best I can manage.

People see the world in different ways and want different things.

More people turned out to say 'no' to the EU - including so many of those who voted 'yes' in the 1970s.

I think you are wrong to be stoking generational strife over this. Voters of all ages voted both ways.

What we need, really need, to do now is make the best of the situation we are actually in. And just slagging off sections of the population isn't going to help anything at all. Except the ugly spread of ageism.

Most leave voters did not have a clue what they were voting for.
Some misguided idea of patriotism.

I am angry at Cameron fo rallowing ot to happen and the leave campaign for lying.

I have some sympathy for the protest vote against austerity leave voters who are low income and at the bottom of the heap in society.

I cannot pretend I am not mad at my parents acquaintances who are 65 plus extremely wealthy and voted leave for vaguely racist “make Britain great” again type reasons.

It is not ageist to criticize the 60% of 50-64 year olds who voted Leave and 64% of over 65s who voted Leave.
The four brexiteers I know were all 60+ and their reasons for voting Leave were spurious to say the least...and all home-owning and relatively comfortable too.

It is not ageist to criticize the 60% of 50-64 year olds who voted Leave and 64% of over 65s who voted Leave.

You could equally blame the huge numbers of young remainers who didn’t bother to vote.

I seriously REALLY don't understand your misguided anger.

What we have now is such a mess. You didn't know we were going to end up in this specific place. That TM would be voted so badly last week?

Could you have predicted it? They told us, the night before the vote, it was going to be Remain. By a significant margin. They got that wrong didn't they?

Cameron? The Tory party for pushing the whole thing, instead of dealing with their own internal right wing problems. Corbyn for bring so ... wet.

Europe for not being just a tiny bit more accommodating?
The list could go on and on and on.

Brexit was decades in the making, I live on a south london estate and most of all races voted to leave. Its a smokescreen though, we were given the chance to vote no way was that a mistake by the government.

Having worked in government, including directly with EU counterparts, there is a lot that I think you are all being miguided on. The global situation economically is on a knife edge, this includes EU member states. The world in entering a sort of forth turning and I think Brexit really is a smokescreen. I would suggest taking little note of news media and more note of whats happening in the world and whats happening in Britain economically, which has been happening for decades.

To blame leavers is very ignorant, people dont live in the same sitution as you, people have different experiences and if the older generation think that this country is regressing or others think there is no future based on their lives continually getting worse, then they will vote accordingly.

I'm mad with some of them. Last night I actually dreamed that there was a women (who looked like Mrs Danvers) pontificating and regurgitating Leave lies at me. We were on a staircase. In my dream I put my face close to hers and threatened to throw her over the banisters.

Tbh i am mad with David Cameron most of all.

30 million voted. 52% leave is 15.6 million.
Not all of that 15 million was your Dad!! Or your dads age. Demographic. Was it?

Lots of young people, much older people, middle aged people must have voted leave aswell. Must have.

It is not ageist to criticize the 60% of 50-64 year olds who voted Leave and 64% of over 65s who voted Leave
The four brexiteers I know were all 60+ and their reasons for voting Leave were spurious to say the least...and all home-owning and relatively comfortable too

You are looking at the same YouGov poll as me - the one that says;

Among the other age groups, voters aged 24 to 49 narrowly opted for Remain (54%) over leave (46%)

Are 46% of 24 - 49 year olds refusing to speak to you?

(One is married to a French woman fhs!)

I know half a dozen Leave voters married or partnered with EU nationals. I think you've misjudged the racist bit amongst the middle classes - it's poor EU citizens they want to put a cap on - not educated, middle class citizens like them.

Boris Johnson and Gove are the ones I blame mostly.
I think they gave the Leave campaign some credibility. They looked shell shocked when they gave the press interview the next morning. Leave was never meant to win.

I think people find it hard to relate to others and simply base it on their own circumstances and what the media tells them...Which is dangerous. The reality of the EU is it is in a huge amount of trouble. Britain is in a huge amount of trouble also but not because of brexit. Again, I am convinced Brexit is the smokescreen needed for what is an economic system on the edge.

As for people voting, all races and all ages was my experience. This was a vote against the establishment decades in the making!

["You could equally blame the huge numbers of young remainers who didn’t bother to vote."]

Except that this isn't correct and young voters voted in the same numbers as every other demographic other than the 56+ group.

I am cross with leave voters for being seduced by being told that their prejudices were correct, and that leaving the EU would solve the problems that they see as effecting them.

In the end I'm going to laugh when the brexit voting areas get hit harder and worse than other areas.

{ The global situation economically is on a knife edge, this includes EU member states. The world in entering a sort of forth turning and I think Brexit really is a smokescreen. I would suggest taking little note of news media and more note of whats happening in the world and whats happening in Britain economically, which has been happening for decades.}

This is far more important than Brexit, there are a lot of very significant world changes going on and it is difficult to know where anything is going.
Leavers 'crowing' about the possible demise of the EU have no idea how horrible things would get if that actually comes about, and the UK as a tiny island will just get trampled underfoot unless it ties it's colours to either the USA/Russia/China. None of these options has the UK in a position to make any progress and have any say in trade negotiations. Look at the way the 3 treat any small state/country. How are things in the Ukraine at the moment? Taiwan?