Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Brexit

Brexit for this dummy...

52 replies

OnNaturesCourse · 24/01/2019 13:24

Can anyone explain it all me?

Where are we just now, and what's going to happen?

I'm completely uneducated and unexperienced in these fields. I'm trying to teach myself more and be more involved BUT I'm struggling.

OP posts:
beanaseireann · 24/01/2019 18:10

What's going to happen on the island of Ireland ?
A guarded border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland ?
Sh*t

Bluntness100 · 24/01/2019 18:10

Edwin, that was a fantastic summary,,

Bluntness100 · 24/01/2019 18:16

A guarded border between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland

But they can't do that because the basis of the gfa is no hard border in Ireland. But you also can't have an eu country and a non eu country with no hard border between them. So either way they are stuffed.

FishesaPlenty · 24/01/2019 18:16

Yes, as I said: 'According to the Mirror' and 'apparently'. Grin

Whenisitbedtime · 24/01/2019 18:26

Thank you @Edwinh

Buteo · 24/01/2019 18:31

Fishes Grin

As far as I can see, the Trade Bill is more about rolling over (or trying to roll over) the existing trade agreements that the UK enjoys through EU membership.

I think Fox's comments about the Trade Bill could scupper No Deal have been taken out of context / misquoted - without the Trade Bill the UK couldn't accede to the GPA, but the GPA deals with Government Procurement, not General Procurement as has been reported in some papers.

Ughh. Just tried to see where the Mirror is reporting this, and instead I get David Davis will rake in £3,000 an hour in new job with Tory donor JCB. Over the next year Mr Davis will be an external advisor to JCB for which he will be paid £60,000 for 20 hours a year. Bet he doesn't even know what a sodding excavator looks like.

Yaralie · 24/01/2019 18:52

If David Davis was only paid £3000 per hour when he was our brexit secretary he would only have been paid £12000 because he only turned up for 4 short meetings, and then without notes.

We poor taxpayers probably paid this charlaton a lot more than that. It is time these fraudsters were called out.

OnNaturesCourse · 24/01/2019 18:56

EdwinH

Thank you. That's in my terms so easier to take in!

OP posts:
nuttynutjob · 24/01/2019 19:28

Edwin H- fantastic summary.

FishesaPlenty · 24/01/2019 19:36

Somebody posted the link earlier Buteo www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-already-been-cancelled-heres-13896286

Buteo · 24/01/2019 19:49

Fishes I don’t think holding up the Trade Bill stops the UK reverting to WTO for trade though. Might be wrong, but I can’t see it?

DippyAvocado · 24/01/2019 19:54

Excellent summary Edwin.

FishesaPlenty · 24/01/2019 19:54

I can't pretend to know anything about it. I only mentioned it because that's what the earlier poster seemed to be getting at.

stopitandtidyupp · 24/01/2019 21:53

Why do people on some forums keep going on about the Lisbon Treaty?

wherearemychickens · 25/01/2019 00:01

EdwinH, that was an absolutely excellent summary

EdwinH · 25/01/2019 15:11

Why do people on some forums keep going on about the Lisbon Treaty?

Because there is an amazing piece of fiction circulating widely that attributes all kind of sky-is-falling shock-horror consequences to effects the Lisbon Treaty will supposedly have on the UK in the next few years, with specific mentions of the key dates of 2020 and 2022.

It doesn't bear repeating all the lies, but some of the nonsense includes the "facts" that the UK will no longer be a sovereign nation, that we'll lose our judicial system, have to join the Euro etc.

Basically it's a laundry-list of the most absurd tinfoil hat conspiracies you can possibly imagine, all blamed on the bugbear of the "Lisbon Treaty."

None of it is completely true. About 10% of it is half-true, 10% has a grain of truth of it, and the other 80% is out and out lies.

Unfortunately, as the Brexit debate has heated up, variants of the document have circulated more and more widely on social media. But you can circulate a billion texts about how the Earth is flat, and it won't suddenly turn out to be true. Similarly, just because "more people are talking about it" doesn't make any of the nonsense being shared about the Lisbon Treaty any more factual.

TheElementsSong · 25/01/2019 15:17

Just saw this thread and wanted to add to the applause for Edwin Flowers

stopitandtidyupp · 25/01/2019 17:30

Thanks Edwin

EdwinH · 25/01/2019 17:38

You've very welcome. Glad to help.

Grinchly · 25/01/2019 19:38

@EdwinH Another vote for a fantastic summary. Smile

borntobequiet · 25/01/2019 19:58

EdwinH at 17:44 - brilliant post, sums everything up so well.

Apileofballyhoo · 25/01/2019 20:39

Great post Edwin.

Grinchly · 25/01/2019 20:55

Philip Hammond is that you? Grin

Apileofballyhoo · 25/01/2019 21:18

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2019/01/25/week-in-review-everything-is-dead-everywhere

That article was posted by the OP of the Westminstenders threads, OP. It's a great easy to read summary of what's going on at the moment.

marmitedoughnut · 25/01/2019 21:24

I'm not too up on politics either, the bit I can never get my head around is why everybody keeps saying there will be shortages of food etc.

Are they implying that EU suppliers won't sell to us anymore?