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Plan B emerges...

28 replies

JSmitty · 21/01/2019 10:28

Tell the EU where to stick their backstop. Do a bilateral deal with Dublin. (The ROI also tells the EU where to get off.) Rewrite the Good Friday Agreement. Dig a hole in the garden and bring it indoors, etc.

Thus she gets the Moggsters back onside, pays the DUP protection money, tempts two or three Labour Leavers, threatens her own remainiers with deselection and sets the Mail and Sun on the "Traitors"

Ho hum.

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TheABC · 21/01/2019 10:30

This is car crashes politics at its finest. I am still in disbelief that she will choose ERG over the rest of her party. You may as well read last rites over the Tories as their reputation for governance is now well and truly trashed.

bellinisurge · 21/01/2019 10:38

Goady nonsense reported.

Holidayshopping · 21/01/2019 10:39

Tell the EU where to stick their backstop

Can she do that though? Won’t the EU just tell her to get stuffed?

MeganBacon · 21/01/2019 11:25

She has no choice but to get the erg on board or the wa won’t get through next time. And she has to keep no deal on the table or a group who only voted for the wa because they were worried about no deal would switch their vote to against. Her hands are tied because she’s so invested in her deal. If she fails to get backstop adjustment the wa is dead.

bellinisurge · 21/01/2019 11:29

What fantasy backstop adjustment is this?

mummmy2017 · 21/01/2019 11:31

The one where she renames the back stop to shit I am in trouble....
Oh look no backstop....

MeganBacon · 21/01/2019 11:33

The bilateral agreement in the press this morning.

bellinisurge · 21/01/2019 11:34

The bilateral fantasy, you mean. Or did I miss some major agreed change to GFA?

MeganBacon · 21/01/2019 12:10

No it’s the latest idea from the cabinet about how to get the wa agreed, the last ditch effort which will fail anyway if no deal is a virtual impossibility.

1tisILeClerc · 21/01/2019 12:18

The way the UK gov have acted over the last 2 years reinforces the need for the backstop. They have used most of the tricks in the book to wheedle out of everything and are proving themselves to be completely untrustworthy. They can't even manage to be bothered to dress it up in diplomatic language, just outright bar room brawling.

bellinisurge · 21/01/2019 12:26

I think you'll find that Varadkar has very politely said Feck off. Because he's a polite kind of chap.

Vickster99 · 21/01/2019 13:02

In the unlikely event that the EU & Ireland would ever agree to this is it still not a very risky strategy by TM? How can she guarantee that her own remainers will vote for it? She only needs 10 or so to rebel and we're back to square one. Do we think there's enough remainers who would do that

I'm guessing Soubry, Grieb, Morgan, Clarke, Johnson (JJ not BJ!), Gymaih at least.

SonEtLumiere · 21/01/2019 13:45

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HoustonBess · 21/01/2019 13:51

They're just playing chicken with Labour over a second referendum. It's increasingly obvious there will need to be one, but neither party leader wants to stick their head over the parapet by calling for it first.

No one wants to take ownership of this horrible mess. But they all know there is no version of Brexit that will please anyone. In the short term, no deal might do it for a small percentage of the population but after a year or so of shortages and disruption, that would certainly change!

I just wish someone had the backbone to stand up and call a spade a spade. Brexit is idiocy.

LaurieMarlow · 21/01/2019 14:07

The ROI also tells the EU where to get off.

I died laughing at this because it's quite honestly the last thing the Irish government are going to do.

It's interesting to observe how little the uk understand Ireland's relationship with the eu.

JSmitty · 21/01/2019 15:10

...Oh yes, and in time the ROI will also leave the EU and probably rejoin the UK.

Leavesters are actually articulating this.

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MrsTerryPratcett · 21/01/2019 15:14

It's interesting to observe how little the uk understand Ireland's relationship with the eu.

It's also an area I'm completely ignorant about. Would you mind giving me beginners' notes @LaurieMarlow? I'd be very interested. Flowers

Holidayshopping · 21/01/2019 15:18

@LaurieMarlow

I would as well!

Who actually wants a backstop?
ROI?
DUP?
Hard Brexiteers?
EU?

PaulHollywoodsSexGut · 21/01/2019 15:23

^Oh yes, and in time the ROI will also leave the EU and probably rejoin the UK.

Leavesters are actually articulating this^

Tell me you’re joking

Please

JSmitty · 21/01/2019 15:25

Wish I was.

Sure Airbus will close, but 'something will turn up.'

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bellinisurge · 21/01/2019 15:28

BeLeavers/No dealers are desperate for Ireland to leave the E.U., partly to solve the backstop problem for them but mostly because they think it's part of the UK anyway

1tisILeClerc · 21/01/2019 15:29

(It's interesting to observe how little the uk understand Ireland's relationship with the eu.)
It's the same as Portugal, Spain etc, except it happens to have a land border with NI.
The backstop is necessary to prevent the UK unilaterally changing the relationship with the EU (Ireland) and NI.
Thus ROI and EU demand it is in place and not time limited. If it has a time limit it is not a backstop.
The 'bad faith' that the UK is exhibiting makes the backstop even more necessary, particularly as some prominent cabinet members have said they would rip up any agreements as soon as possible.

RuggerHug · 21/01/2019 15:50

Very short version for those asking. Would be like doing a runner to the States, expecting to be welcomed with open arms and allowed to run it all because 'Sure didn't we used to own you, we're baaaaaaaack' and everyone thinking that was fine and dandy.

LaurieMarlow · 21/01/2019 15:56

but mostly because they think it's part of the UK anyway

This has become apparent. And nothing is more likely to get Irish people's backs up than this attitude.

The EU is very popular here in Ireland. Membership has done positive things for the country. Approval ratings are high (80/90 per cent). Bright young graduates go off to the EU and build careers there. We have representation in key roles. The EU is an important mechanism through which the Irish have established themselves as a modern, independent country

Ties with the UK on the other hand are linked to a negative past where Ireland got fucked over by colonial big boys. No one has any interest in a return to that.

The Irish were very, very happy with the status quo and brexit is a total PITA for us, especially as we've just come out of recession.

The idea that Ireland would 'choose' the UK over the EU is plain ridiculous.

The ROI and nationalists in the north are very invested in avoiding a hard border, because of what it would mean for trade, but also because it allows nationalists to feel and identify as Irish if they like, under the terms of the GFA.

For what it's worth, I'm not sure the ROI give too much of a fuck about NI nationalist sentiments, but they desperately want to avoid a return to violence and any disruption to trade.

The DUP want some kind of magical reality where they get to brexit, retain exactly the same relationship with the rest of the UK, yet somehow avoid any disruption to the farming trade which is their bread and butter. They give no fucks about the GFA and never have.

Of all the clowns out there who want to have their cake, eat their cake and will tantrum if they don't get their way, they are the worst.

Holidayshopping · 21/01/2019 16:02

@LaurieMarlow

Thank you-that’s a bit clearer now.

As it’s the DUP who TM has to get on side, what do they actually WANT in terms of the backstop?

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