Is there such a thing as a heavyweight Brexiteer?

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I'm thinking if politicians, economists and lawyers. Not thinking of charisma and personality, more of a thorough in depth knowledge of economics and politics
I kind of imagine there being 20,000 remain economists and 5 maverick Brexiteer ones.

millyonth
You have the air of someone gloating about someone else's problems.
It is very unpleasant.
If German, in fact any European manufacturer comes to the conclusion that cutting production is in their best interests, simply closing plants in the UK would be an ideal solution.
Don't forget, there has been no suggestion so far as to how jobs that are being lost already will actually be replaced.

Another heavy weight - Crispin Odey

Another heavy weight - Crispin Odey
Another nice chap, betting on the failure of the UK to make himself and friends more wealthy.
Unless you are his close friend, you will lose.

Clerc my comment was a tongue in cheek

As a 'poster boy' for the Leave campaign it is good to understand the motivations of various people and the fact that their support for leaving is not good for most people.

I learned the hard way it's always a very bad idea to try to explain why Hitler was so popular with the German people. In trying to explain why Hitler was so loved ( Were the German people monsters? How could they love a man who was responsible for the death of millions? ) you come across as a Hitler lover yourself.

There was an extremely lengthy but very insightful article by John Ray on Adolph Hitler. I consider myself a Nixon-type liberal nowadays as opposed to the rather loud conservative I was in my college days.

Taking that into consideration so that I am not bashing liberals, the name of the article was " John Ray on Adolph Hitler and his liberal views. ".

An excerpt from it ;

" Hitler's love of his German nation ( Volk ) stands out. And that his constantly expressed love of his people and belief in their greatness should have earned him their love and belief in return is supremely unsurprising. A book recently released in Germany does make some allusion to that. Excerpt from a review of it:

" A well-respected German historian has a radical new theory to explain a nagging question: Why did average Germans so heartily support the Nazis and Third Reich? Hitler, says Goetz Aly, was a " feel good dictator, " a leader who not only made Germans feel important, but also made sure they were well cared-for by the state. To do so, he gave them huge tax breaks and introduced social benefits that even today anchor the society. He also ensured that even in the last days of the war not a single German went hungry. Despite near-constant warfare, never once during his 12 years in power did Hitler raise taxes for working class people. He also in great contrast to World War 1 particularly pampered soldiers and their families, offering them more than double the salaries and benefits that American and British families received. As such, most Germans saw Nazism as a " warm-hearted " protector, says Aly, author of the new book " Hitler's People's State: Robbery, Racial War and National Socialism " and currently a guest lecturer at the University of Frankfurt ".

Hitler also in referring to himself called himself " the corporal " as opposed to Lord this or that to emphasis his connection to the average German. At political rallies he tended to emerge from the crowd seated below to demonstrate that he was one of them and not someone seated high up on a podium indicating superior status.

I watched " The Killing Fields " again last night. The difference between Hitler and Pol Pot could not be more different. Pol Pot inflicted death and misery on his own people in order to satisfy a pet theory of his regarding some sort of agricultural utopia ( hell on earth is what he actually delivered ).

Hitler proved very popular with the Germans with regard to his social policies, unfortunately his genocidal tendencies came out and were put into effect as well as his success went to his head and he began to believe he knew more that his generals on how to fight a war and we all know how that turned out.

Any country needs to have a system of checks and balances to prevent a dictator to coming to power, the size and scale of a central government and what it should and should not do is a matter of debate between conservatives, moderates, and liberals.

The classification of people into enemies of the nation and state whether they be capitalists, Jews, remainers, non-British, etc is where you are venturing into genocidal territory.

Robert Tombs is an obvious one (interesting Cambridge historian).

xebobfromUS
Interesting stuff there.
A successful country/state needs a 'dictator' to drive policies forward, but a 'coalition' to provide checks and balances tp ensure that the majority of the people are properly represented and looked after.
This is how the EU works.
A 'semi elected' group look at the overall situation and can propose ideas, but have no power to actually put them into practice. They send their ideas to the chamber of MEPs who represent all 28 countries who then hammer the idea out to make it best fit the 'will' of the whole. This is then voted on, and countries have the option of veto to allow variance where implementing the whole 'legislation' would be problematic. Then the MEPs take it to their own governments to ratify and ultimately 'police' the legislation.
Of course it is not a perfect system, nothing ever is but with the core values of the EU in the minds of everyone with a strong emphasis on fairness to all it has a lot going for it
By the time any given piece of legislation has been 'approved' by a diverse parliament with 28 views, some of which may be diametrically opposed to others at the beginning it is likely that the resulting article will be good for most.
While 'centre' might be bland, extremism leaning either way is not good for the majority.

Kalidasa yes Professor Robert Tombs is interesting. He basically believes that leaving the EU project is in the best interests of the UK people and that Theresa May’s government is making Brexit much more complex than it needs to be

{Theresa May’s government is making Brexit much more complex than it needs to be}
I absolutely agree with that.
At the end of the day, the UK will have to negotiate with the EU for food, medication and a whole pile of things as it is impractical to source them from anywhere else.
To do this takes cool headed, rational and polite dialogue something the EU are very happy to do.
Instead, David Davies and Dom Raab and Mrs May have gone in shouting and demanding things and the baying 'mob' of the Daily Fail Express and the ilk are bringing it on.
The EU has never been an 'enemy' but the rantings and overall destruction of trust displayed by the UK will certainly be making them think twice about offering 'good deals'.
If you want to negotiate a pay rise with your boss, you don't go into the meeting ranting and swearing at them.