Are you afraid? Brexit.

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I feel very uneasy about what the future holds for us after Brexit but am I just overreacting? Can it really be so terrible? Why is no one around me talking about this in real life, you would think it would be a hot topic.

In 1919, when the dust was just starting to settle on the 'war to end all wars' I doubt many predicted a 'rerun' with even greater destruction only 20 years later.
There is very little that will be 'funny' after March 29th.

The 2008 financial 'crash' was essentially a 'finance' specific mess, although it had widespread consequences and the UK has still not recovered from it. Exiting the EU is multiple organ failure in comparison and unlike 2008 which was a worldwide shock, leaving the EU concentrates something like 90% of the problem on the UK alone. For the EU and the rest of the world it is an opportunity and in business terms pretty much like a multinational 'killing off' a rival company.

@Kikipost , if you are a history graduate as you allege, you will know that snide remarks about genuine fears is what fucking idiots who don't give a shit about people's concerns do.

Yes, I'm afraid.

I'm not a natural prepper but I've started stockpiling food and other essentials. I'll be delighted if that turns out to be unnecessary.

I currently swing between thinking everything will be fine to a horrible feeling of impending doom.
I'm trying to build up a small supply of my prescription meds by requesting repeats a few days earlier each time, same for dh.
Ds has adhd meds which are sourced from the EU, he gets 3 months at a time which takes him up to early April. Hopefully there's no issues there.
Prepping- I'm starting in earnest this month.
I'm buying cleaning / health and hygiene products first, aiming for a 6 month supply. It will all get used even if A50 is revoked.

Then later this month I'm starting on food prepping.

We were planning on taking dc to New York in mid April, dd is in her final year at boarding school so wanted to do something nice before she goes to uni. Will it be safe to book it now?
Thanks

I’m afraid.
I live in a flat in a city which is pretty well protected and well hidden, but I am generally very anxious about security anyway and this has increased ten fold.

I usually keep a well stocked kitchen because I hate food shopping but I’ve also started ensuring I’m stocked up on toiletries, medicines and things like batteries etc.

I think it’s the uncertainty that’s the most frightening tbh. and the panic that will no doubt set in once we know which way it’s going - panic buying and the like.

Kiki I suspect you are one of those people that said we were all panicking about the millenmium bug needlessly and nothing bad actually happened. Totally ignoring (or being ignorant of the fact) that an awful lot of people and busnesses did an awful lot of work to avoid the MB being an issue.

I predict utter disaster for this country as a result of the leave vote, both in the short and long term. My husband needs drugs to stay alive. If he misses any it will be disaster enough for us Kiki

I too think it’s obnoxious to be smirking and sneering @kikipost even if things do pan out okay, people could die if there are even short delays to their medication. but obviously that will still be hilarious when you come back and visit this thread after March I’m sure.

It would be lovely to imagine that this country could become amazing post brexit. That somehow we get our shit together and start making our own planes, trains, cars and motorbikes. That we will start mining again. Making our own steel. Growing most of what we eat and drink. It would be great to imagine that we could manufacture our own fabrics and clothing and become almost self contained and the deals we do have for the goods and services we cannot provide for ourselves are profitable for both us and the other countries in a win/win situation.
The reality is that we are hide bound by legislation to a massive degree and this means that making anything in a cost effective way is bordering on impossible.

We have almost no Police and things could turn very ugly very quickly in this country and there is little to stop this happening. Certainly not the will of politicians!
I would love to be laughing at myself and others on here stockpiling and prepping for the worst case scenario. At best we will all be living on dried rice and pasta for a couple of years after we 'step into the sun abyss ' Any true student of history should be aware that the shit that happens to real people often doesn't make it to the history books.

I wonder what a "history graduate" thinks of Argentina's history Their series of unfortunate events decisions in the early 20th century didn't "blow over" but led to them becoming an economic basket case that has taken them 100 years to not even to recover to the same level that they were back then (6th largest economy in the world back then, iirc).

Or for somewhere more recently where problems are "not blowing over" but maybe too recent for a "history graduate" - have a look at Venezuela.

I can't quite get myself into the mindset of a person who could read about people who are worrying that their loved ones might die and only muster a sneer in response. Even if you think it won't happen - a sneer, rather than trying to reassure, or even just not posting anything. I just can't imagine being that much of a twat.

Venezuela was starting it's decline when I made a short visit about 25 years ago. The evidence of it being good was all around, but you could see that things were on the turn.The fact that citizens are leaving in the hundreds of thousands is so sad.

Nobody in my family will talk about it and don't want to make any, "What if" plans.

But, we can't bury our heads in the sand. We're caring for so many unwell family members at present and we need to discuss what will happen if some of our basic systems are disrupted and there are medication shortages, transport disruptions etc. (We're currently travelling all round the UK as we don't live near to each other and we don't have nearly enough healthy/able family members for the number of people who are ill.)

I can't compel autonomous adults to discuss matters but this is doing nothing to help allay my apprehensions.

My family members keep saying, "Common sense will prevail. The government would never let things get that bad". Yet, for me, a hard Brexit is the perfect cover story for reducing the Welfare State on an unprecedented scale which is in line with the philosophy of so many of the major players.

Yes, I fear we are facing civil unrest whichever way this goes.

I’m anxious. I work for the NHS and already seeing an impact on staffing and drug supplies although no one will officially admit it’s down to Brexit, it is! Keeping people well and alive is definitely going to be a lot harder especially in the event of no deal. Personally, I’m due to start essential medication this month and I’m worried about the supply of that and the consequences of not being able to get hold of it.

As a family we’re in quite a vulnerable position and I’m scared about a future where everything is more expensive which impacts DHs business. I’m trying not to think about it but will start prepping this month.

I accept many people think it’ll be hard for a relatively short period of time and it’s a small price to pay for apparently, utopia (a relative gave me a figure of 5 years ) but my family and many, many others, don’t have that long. People’s lives will be ruined and people will die.

I'm not afraid.
We are not waging a war. We are just leaving a political union.
I have been running an export business for years and I have confidence that businesses here and in the EU will be sensible. There will be hassles and there will be teething problems but we will cope and cooperate - it is in all our interests to do so.

I may be in the minority on here, but I believe that change is usually a positive thing. I suppose I am an incorrigible optimist.
I am however annoyed that this Tory government has not been more positive and made better more constructive plans.

I too think the govt should have been better prepared. Fair enough that people voted leave (I think many voted leave thinking that it wouldn't matter as remain would win) but the level of chaos is unreal.
I think also that a lot of people are so used to full supermarkets, everything available on demand etc that the concept of less choice etc is completely alien to them.

Also people no longer trust politicians (sorry for the sweeping generalisation) so when people like Tony Blair are calling for us to stay in the EU a lot of people think he's saying it as there's something in it for him not them iyswim.

Also people no longer trust politicians (sorry for the sweeping generalisation) so when people like Tony Blair are calling for us to stay in the EU a lot of people think he's saying it as there's something in it for him not them iyswim.

But at the same time, its the brexiteers I know who say, 'the Govt will sort it', 'everything will be fine because the politicians will fix it', 'it wasn't up to the public to plan how to leave, politicians will do it. ...

So it seems people like to say they don't trust politicians but also by their actions, show that they have a tremendous - unwarranted - faith in them.

I'm quite scared but I'm more furious, frustrated and saddened by the hate it's unleashed towards non-British born people and the incompetence/wilful ignorance/corruption/tinpot dictator tendencies it's revealed in our politicians.

Yes, so when Tony Blair supports something, it must be wrong but when posh boys like JRM (whose Dad actually wrote a book about making money from disaster and who's got a hedge fund that's moved to Dublin) says something, it must be right.

It IS confusing.

I don't trust politicians so I am going to vote for a movement opposed by virtually every academic, doctor, scientist and business person in this country.

I don't trust politicians so I want to unravel 45 years of agreements: I don't care how, or if there will be upheaval, I just expect the politicians (who I don't trust) to sort it out.

JRM has not got a hedge fund that's moved to Dublin. He has an investment company (SCM) that has many funds in many different countries. He's an odd bloke but he is a successful businessman who knows what he talking about.

He's not a successful businessman.
www.ft.com/content/d9f42362-aea0-11e7-beba-5521c713abf4

He's an inherited wealth and married well billionaire who talks bollocks.

I know a little of history and i'm struggling to find a country that deliberately and knowingly decided (by its own measures) to shrink the economy, put its stability at risk, take preparations similar only to a war footing and cause untold division across society.

All because of an non binding opinion poll.