Trading under WTO rules...what it means if no deal.

[PeridotCricket]

Link to an excellent explanation as to what no deal Brexit means.

drive.google.com/file/d/1qOyv69Cn-5-OoQldwely301TWyj5heTZ/view

Or on twitter but less east to read twitter.com/uk_domain_names/status/1073221524545363973?s=21

Ok let’s look at oranges for a Instance
The EU imposed a 16 percent tax on any oranges imported from out of the EU because Spain wanted it.
So in reality you may well think that it makes Spanish oranges cheaper but the reality is no it didn’t.
They just added the extra on to there own as profit because they sell there’s with zero percent export tax of course because of been in the EU.
So if we trade under WTO rules we will be getting oranges much cheaper to begin with and then any deals done between countries after can bring prices down again depending on agreements on import tax.
And of course leave the Spanish with there ones to rot with there hiked up prices.

Of course this is just one example.

You also say talk based on facts not opinions I can only see your opinions in your post.

The result has been the demise of UK manufacturing
Then how come the UK is the 9th largest manufacturing nation by output in the world?

The UK used to be the 5th or 6th until about 2004. Some measures of manufacturing don't even have the UK in the Top 10 beyond 2019, behind USA, China, Germany, Japan, India, South Korea, Mexico, Taiwan, Canada and Singapore. Brazil, France and Italy are also close to overtaking the UK.

Brexit is not going to help, particularly if the car and aerospace companies leave, taking hundreds of thousands of jobs and millions of pounds in tax revenues with them.

Maryjoyce

The price of oranges in the UK is decided by how much the sellers want to charge and what the consumers want to pay. This is basic supply-and-demand economics.

I go back to my example - if the current market price of oranges is, say, 50p each what will the price be if the UK supermarkets can buy oranges from a new country, 'Fruitopia', for half of the current wholesale price? 25p? 35p? 50p?

Spin, you did read the link about orange tariffs, didn't you.

You are also aware of Economic Partnership Agreements?
Also maybe Everything But Arms?
African, Caribbean and Pacific Group of States?
We buy a lot of tariff free foods now.

You are beginning to sound a little like Daniel Kawczynski, really not a good thing.
Have you heard of the Marshall Plan?

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I didn’t say how much we pay as customers I said how much the retailers pay.
Obviously any of us can buy anything and resell it for any price we dream up since no one can dictate a price on resale to the consumer.

And I hope these lovely tariff arrangements will be what we should aim for. But if we No Deal, we will not slip into these tariffs. They take hard negotiating.
Meanwhile, I need to feed my family until this is sorted.

I didn’t say how much we pay as customers I said how much the retailers pay

The word 'retailers' does not appear anywhere in your previous post.

When we are discussing goods potentially becoming cheaper after Brexit, surely we are all discussing the price that the consumer will be paying.

Back to the price of oranges. You say in your post that the price saving made by buying Spanish oranges (I can see that you probably meant retailers here) was not passed on to the consumer. So my question remains - if the retailers can buy oranges from 'Fruitopia' at half the current wholesale price, what will the retail price be?

Its funny how Brexiters focus on tariff percentages
which are pretty irrelevant to the vast bulk of world trade now.

The key point is standards alignment
eg US farming's gross overuse of antibiotics, pesticides and refusal to label GMOs
The EU blocks all US meat for that reason
The UK will be flooded with it if the Govt are dumb enough to sign a trade deal with Trump
and UK farmers will go out of business by the thousand.

Taking back control .....

The reason SpinShill is using insulting names is because they are trying to wind people up so that they respond in kind. They then report them and get them banned. It's what they were paid to do did during the referendum. Fortunately, most people on here are wise to it now. It shows that they are worried about their precious Brexit though if they are bringing the shills back!

Mary
This may help

www.bbc.com/bitesize/articles/z3cxrwx

About oranges & standards alignment... I'm worried about quality more than price. At least with EU produced oranges, there is a giant regulatory regime to control what gets sprayed on them, and a certification scheme for non-EU production. How do we influence the quality as a much smaller economy?

I'm glad we don't eat meat. American stuff sounds revolting.

perverse
There is an MN poster who is now on my FB who became largely vegan when she moved to the US.

Free range eggs - nope
Happy meat - nope
Cheese from happy animals - nope
Organic milk - nope

In the US its all about price
whereas in the EU its also about preserving the environment

FFS they do not even do recycled loo roll / kitchen towelling

When we lived in the US we found American steak, especially when combined with red wine, often produced the most rancid meat sweats.

We are the buyers.
We have control.
We decide.

I wonder if the women queuing for 3 hours in the East Berlin snow to choose between a red scarf and a blue scarf said the same thing to each other. If we're talking about poorly thought-out political splits, the Berlin Wall seemed worth a mention