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Is there any reason we can’t just take longer over the whole exit process?

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DeloresJaneUmbridge · 12/12/2018 13:02

Okay I voted to Remain but the vote went in favour of Leave.

I guess my question is why we have to leave so rapidly.

We’ve been part of the EU for decades so it must have been obvious that exiting in 18 months was not going to be doable.

Why can’t we have a plan which says we will exit the EU over 10-20 years (numbers pulled out of my head) with a specific target for key issues such as Trade? So that we still exit and deliver on the vote outcome but we do so in a steady way. Surely that would be a win win for Leavers and aremainers alike. And I am talking if “normal” folk here and not multi millionaires stashing their cash everywhere away from the UK so they are protected from any no deal risks,

Surely A50 should only be triggered when specific work has been done to ensure a seamless exit. It should be obvious that after decades we can’t do this in 18 months.

Tbh part of the reason I voted Remain was the fear of this shitshow we now have going on,

Or is it a shitshow because those negotiating are Remainers shown ant to see it fail?

Honestly trying to see all sides here. I am happy to accept the result but god this isn’t what anyone wanted surely. We can exit without all this just by slowing it down.

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1tisILeClerc · 12/12/2018 13:09

Exiting the EU will take a good 5-10 years as there are so many fine threads through everyday life that will need to be untangled.
The fact it is such a complete balls up is entirely down to Cameron implementing a badly flawed referendum and then May running with the ball and triggering A50 without having done any sport of risk assessment. The 'rules' of A50 give a 2 year maximum for exiting, having been triggered hence 29 March 2019.
Leaving could have been relatively straightforward if it had been prepared for say 10 years ago and enough level headed thought put into it. This has not happened.

PineappleSunrise · 12/12/2018 13:13

I seem to recall that "Remainers" (and more thoughtful Leavers) begged the PM not to trigger Article 50 before she had her house in order because they foresaw EXACTLY this sort of chaos, but she ignored them.

bellinisurge · 12/12/2018 13:18

"Surely A50 should only be triggered when specific work has been done to ensure a seamless exit. It should be obvious that after decades we can’t do this in 18 months."
You would think, wouldn't you

helzapoppin2 · 12/12/2018 14:22

Delores, that is excellent common sense. I’ve been saying it too. I wonder why the Government hasn’t thought of it. It’s the speed of the exit that’s causing untold problems IMO.

1tisILeClerc · 12/12/2018 14:33

You have to remember that the WA is only the 'map' to guide the leaving process, it is not an agreement in itself.
Essentially the UK has taken 2 1/2 years to get the map out, never mind actually starting to discuss the details. That is the purpose of the transition period. Transition was proposed to take the UK to the end of 2020 but has been extended. Realistically it may be another 4 years minimum.
Of course many activities like industry can't wait for what will be nearly 6 years with no idea what is going to happen and what the rules will be. While there may be high drama and crap in Westminster, out in the real world companies are collapsing and those whose 'parents' are in Europe (BMW/Airbus etc) are making plans to leave if they haven't already. So, when the final bell rings (March 2019) it may be a situation where much of the car industry and several other sectors will have disappeared or be loading up the trucks to take them to Europe.

1tisILeClerc · 12/12/2018 14:37

SKY news reporting this afternoon that the Rolls Royce (German owned) is shifting it's aircraft manufacturing to Germany now. The jobs that will be going are better paying than the checkout at Tesco so a rather significant 'hit'.

1tisILeClerc · 12/12/2018 14:38

Sorry, Aircraft engines.

ragged · 12/12/2018 19:39

Brexiters are (or were) frantic about their prize not being stolen away. They wanted A50 triggered ASAP b4 some way was found to stop Brexit. Many Brexiters pushed hard for A50 to be triggered ASAP. I recall threads on here with Leavers grumbling that they had to wait at all, some said that early 2017 was just about ok to trigger A50: but any later and they would get furious that the govt would never really do it.

Leavers said Leaving would be 'easy', remember?

Dragongirl10 · 12/12/2018 19:45

One good reason is that for businesses to thrive and grow they need to know what their environment is going to be in 5 or 10 years time.

This endless delaying is causing huge strain for most types of business as they simply cannot plan.....

xebobfromUS · 12/12/2018 20:37

Delores, recently I had come to the same conclusion while thinking about what would have been the most intelligent, practical way to leave the EU.

The UK needed time to work out future trade deals, to have agreements good to go that only required signing on the dotted after the UK officially left the EU.

Here in the US after NAFTA was signed and other various free trade agreements were signed with other South American countries, there was considerable concern about food safety standards from those respective countries ( Canada was okay, they were a lot like the US ). This was very similar to how the UK views US food standards.

I don't think the UK is going to find too many countries with food standards that will match what it currently has with the EU. It might be wise for the people of the UK to stop reminding themselves of the less than desirable food standards of the US and various other countries outside of the EU. In a few months time, you might be lucky to find very much food in your stores at all.

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