Alternative to withdrawal agreement

[missesbiggens]

Well here is 1001 - having a withdrawal agreement is not the problem is it? The problem is the contents of it. Think about it.

Simple, defer art 50, negotiate a future trading relationship that respects the Good Friday Agreement. Get the technological solutions up and running. Re trigger art 50. No back stop needed.

Jees, this is simple stuff. A no deal requires a hard border and any deal requires a backstop. NI is Brexits achillies heel.

So the backdrop's only purpose is to piss you off. You feelz that.
No difference between your view and someone expecting Brexit unicorns.

{Apparently there are alternative technical solutions that can be used, although I haven't any idea what they might be. }
The trouble is that no one else knows what they may be either, probably because they are figments of imagination.
If they existed, Switzerland and Norway would be using them with their respective borders.
In a 'deal' it is possible that an acceptable compromise for goods over the NI border can be reached, but with Westminster stamping it's feet petulantly there will be no chance of even getting to the table to start the discussion.

Inniu tech solutions won't be forthcoming in the near future. As I said, how do you do regulatory checks on goods in moving vehicles?

Bellini, really? Unicorns? WTF? Grow up and address the points.

The backstop protects a legally binding international treaty. The Uk has obligations due to that treaty.

The impossibility of an acceptable solution on NI is well recognised; that's why the backstop exists. There's virtually no way we won't enter it. The problem is that once we do, there is no way to leave without the agreement of the European Union. While that may be forthcoming, it is open to abuse by both the EU and future UK governments that wish the UK to remain entrenched in the UK.. That is why all sides of parliament are scared to agree to it, and rightly so.

@missesbiggens are you sure that people who voted Leave voted for empty shelves and all the other paraphernalia of No Deal. No one can say for sure why anybody voted any way.
Of course you are mind reading? Don't be disingenuous.
Protecting The GFA was one of the main reasons I voted Remain. Other people had other reasons. Same for Leave.

*UK to remain entrenched in the EU, that should say

^^Indeed and in that case theres no solution. A hard Brexit requires a hard border. A deal requires a backstop. What's the option that allows the UK not to break the GFA?

Bellini, we are arguing at different levels of understanding; go and have half an hour on Google then come back with something worthwhile.

@GD12 , I waited 1000 posts for the answer to that question. No sign of it.
Just a rant from a no deal fanatic.

Sigh.

"Just a rant from a no deal fanatic."

Is that what you see when you read my posts? Dear me.

@missesbiggens . It's simple. GFA requires no hard border. There may at some point be a technological way of having Brexit without infrastructure on the NI/Ireland border. We don't have it yet. The backstop is there to plug the gap.
If you don't like the backstop, offer a solution that avoids a hard border.
Pouting about the will of the people isn't an answer.

Scratch the surface of your posts @missesbiggens and it is just no deal rambling.

Where did I pout about the will of the people?

@gd12 I agree on technological solutions but those who believe they exist should be able to put them in place during a Brexit pause or to shut up about them.

@missesbiggens your posts are littered with feelings and your impressions. You kept them in for so lying, impressively so, but out they came.

It's not no deal rambling. You don't like what I have to say and are getting upset (and slightly unhinged about it). But all of what I say is true. Withdrawing from the EU completely is very difficult and we have our political classes to thank for engaging us in such a complex entwinement. There are difficult choices to be made, sure. But signing up to a legally binding agreement that prevents us from ever leaving is not the answer.

If the difficult choice is breaking the GFA, where us your evidence that this is supported.

Inniu, fair enough.

{Is that what you see when you read my posts? Dear me.}
Well you haven't said a great deal that isn't rubbish and you have definitely not proposed any sort of workable solution or even direction post March 2019.
The EU is compromising by allowing there to be no infrastructure on the island of Ireland. It doesn't like it as it is a source of revenue loss and the probability of smuggling but is seen as necessary. If it wasn't for the Belfast Agreement they would insist that there was a hard customs border, just as the WTO rules specify, and many of the other proposed schemes. The EU sees the saving of lives over the many hundreds of thousands of pounds that may well be 'lost' by not having a border. There are still atrocious activities going on in NI, that don't get reported elsewhere and many of the weapons and explosives from the past are simply squirreled away in the countryside.

Clerc, I haven't said anything that is rubbish. Theresa May could be deposed this evening over this deal, and if she isn't deposed by her own party, the rest of parliament are lying in waiting to topple her. The reason this is happening because parliament agrees that this deal is not acceptable for the same reasons I have given. So whilst you may think I am talking rubbish, you are very much in the minority. Smuggling, weapons hiding int he Irish countryside? None of these are good reasons to sign this deal. Now if you can please point out which of my comments you believe to be rubbish, I can tackle that with you. If you are blanketing all of my statements as rubbish then I have no further arguments with you as there would simply be no point.