Can we critique TM’s letter because it doesn’t seem to be based in reality to me

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How exactly are we regaining control of our borders, money and laws?

Does she honestly think if she says it enough it’s true?

{The future trade deal is going to be very much harder to negotiate and will make the withdrawal deal look like rainbows & unicorns after all.}
Absolutely!

It’s a shit deal.

It is also probably pretty close to the best deal we were likely to get.

It was always going to be a shit deal. There was no room to manoeuvre to get a good deal.

Doesn’t matter who negotiated it.

She hadn’t sold leavers down the river.

The silly, unrealistic expectations borne of lies were never going to be fulfilled.

Whoever took in on was always going to be crucified by a bunch of selfish vultures pissing into the tent.

Stop “critiquing” and do something constructive.

Wankers.

Fairly detailed analysis here

No mention of Science

She deserves the opprobrium that will land upon her

She's saying what she thinks she needs to say to win over Leave voters and to get them to press their MP accept it.

My MP supports the deal and every comment on his page is raging and saying they'll never vote Tory again. And that's in a strong leave area.

Stop “critiquing” and do something constructive.

Like what?

The only option I can see is to get the fuckers who voted for this shit show to uunerstand it’s going to make life much worse, for no benefit.

The UK government is being outwitted by the EU who have basically stood still for 2 1/2 years.
The UK refused to come up with an acceptable plan or even negotiate in a dignified manner so 'here is one that we prepared earlier'.

The UK has not been outwitted.
It presented a list of requirements that were mutually exclusive.
It was told such.
And has waited 18 months to accept that fact.

Yes but ‘they need us more than we need them’

Not.

The fact that WhollyFather bobbed up the other night to rant and rave about Theresa May's deal, shows you just how much Leavers are not behind this.

Holyhead on Brexit: ‘When will people wake the f**k up?’
The Welsh port town voted Leave. Were locals ‘led like lambs to the slaughter’?

www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/holyhead-on-brexit-when-will-people-wake-the-f-k-up-1.3705798

Edith
THat article is utterly depressing

but also supports my view that a second vote would be a bad thing

A lot in that article had changed their mind yes, I know the writer might have selected their quotes.

I didn't find that article wholly depressing - there were slightly more who would now vote Remain. The encouraging thing was that the young people would vote Remain. I hope it's not too late for them.

I feel sorry for the school kids who will lose BIG time, to begin with the risk of further decline in Holyhead itself, but the chances of travel and work in the EU will be more limited.

Argh having been to Holyhead it's hard to imagine how it could decline further... and yet it will.

I can well believe that it's the second biggest ro-ro port in the UK, having seen the A55 heaving with traffic when the boats are either just in, or soon to depart.

i feel a bit sad that she'll go down in history as the scapegoat for something that was never intended in the first place

Theresa May didn’t need to set her impossible red lines and go down the path she has chosen. She could have said Leave won by a small majority, so I will respect the vote but the country’s prosperity is important and try to forge a close alliance with EU. I think she has been appalling.

I will copy and paste a journalist’s words on May which expresses it better than I can:

“Where she should have taken on the hard Brexiters, she channelled their reactionary sentiments – not in the national interest but in the interests of holding together her divided party. Where we desperately needed unifying, consensual statesmanship, she unilaterally renounced Britain’s membership of the single market and customs union, thereby creating inflexible “red lines” despite the lack of any democratic mandate to do so.”

The British public deserve a say on the final deal. MPs could make it happen if they wish through the parlimentary process such as amendments. Not enough yet, but I am holding out hope the momentum could increase for it to happen.

This document sets out clearly the parliamentary process that could get Parliament to vote for a referendum on the deal. Pages 21-25 worth reading. It will only have a chance of happening if more people tell their MP’s this is what they want. It might not work but for those of us who think we are better to remain it’s worth writing to their MP. Can but try.

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Regarding the fishing industry, I was surprised to read our fishing industry accounts for only 0.05% of the UK’s GDP. www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/23/brexit-waters-fishing-industry-eu?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

I was surprised that the letter repeated much of the old rhetoric. If it contained the truth with some wording as below many would have respected that. Then it leads to the inevitable why are we doing this.

How would honest and accurate wording have worked with Leave politicians and voters?

We will take back control of our borders, by putting in place a proper immigration system an end to the which addresses free movement of people properly like that which operates in other EU member states once and for all.
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We will take back control of 0.7% of GDP money, by putting an end to the 0.7% of GDP vast annual payments to the EU.We will however replace this with increased payments to enable access to parts of the EU needed to facilitate our trading relationship.
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And we will take back control of rarely referred cases relating to our interpretation of limited EU laws, by ending the jurisdiction of the European Court of Justice in the UK which only applied in relatively few cases mostly relating to agriculture and the environment and some basic workers’ rights. And will continue to follow whatever similar rules by the WTO or whoever which are necessary to facilitate trade.

She's a Remainer and has negotiated a way to Remain

That's not what Remain looks like to me, Sheldon. I would have thought you'd like the deal. You voted for it. It's what you wanted.

Not at all what I voted for I voted Leave