Brexiteers say 'Everyone, get behind Brexit!...

[Miljah]

.... put your differences behind, accept that Leave won!'

Yet they're all bloody resigning the minute the heavy lifting has to be done! Why aren't the likes of Raab and McVey 'getting behind' May, given that we, the Remainers, were expected to live with a much higher level of cognitive dissonance in 'getting behind' Brexit since we don't support it!

All pro-Brexiter MPs have to do is accept that their own, private version of Brexit (and there are 17.4 million of them...!) has 'lost', so they must now 'get behind' the version currently winning. Or risk 'cliff edge'.

Or might they otherwise we called hypocrites?

The Sky poll seems to show that people are no longer behind Brexit. By quite a margin.

Can you link, please?

news.sky.com/story/majority-of-brits-now-against-brexit-and-back-second-eu-referendum-sky-data-poll-11555078?

Does this work?

Yes

As a clever poster on another thread has pointed out, perhaps asking people if they are now in favour of No Brexit works better than asking them "Remain ". The words "Remain " and "Leave" are tainted with all the horribleness that has gone before.

Just a few months ago Brexiters were calling Tory Remainers like Ken Clarke and Anna Soubry 'Tory rebels' and 'unpatriotic'... how utterly hypocritical. Mogg, in parliment today, asked the Prime Minister to her face why he shouldn't write a letter seeking to sack her.

asked the Prime Minister to her face why he shouldn't write a letter seeking to sack her.

What did she say? ' Put your money where your mouth is mate' would have been a good reply, but I expect that wasn't said.

Her face crumpled like she was going to cry. And then she said everything she always says.

I imagine she was thinking "shove it up your arse, posh boy". Bit unparliamentary though.

Mogg, in parliment today, threatened the Prime Minister with a letter seeking to sack her

Yes why isn't JRM who leads a subversive group within the governing party ( funded by tax payers) seen as a rebel?

If there was a similar group of 40 who used tax payers' time and money on a sole objective there would be uproar.

Surely it is traitorous to have continuously, and now increasingly publicly, undermined the Prime Minister and the government you are supposed to be serving?

Can't the ONE Sovereign person in this country, HRH the Queen summon some of these who are being 'traitorous' to a meeting in the tower for a short chat with a man* with an axe? (is that an equal opportunities position?) It used to work in the past, surely something JRM would approve of.

The Queen is very experienced and has lived through all sorts of political and national shit. She will be staying out of it.

The Queen is very experienced and has lived through all sorts of political and national shit. She will be staying out of it.

On the contrary. She gets an hour a week with no aides and no minutes to talk to the PM of the day. Every time I've read of this - from MacMillan on - she has always been described as very well informed (sometimes more than she might be expected to be) and very perceptive. So we will never know what she is told, or what she says.

I have felt more than once that she may be giving May some advice - counsel if you will - that May could not get anywhere else. She will also have asked some very awkward questions, and from all accounts (certainly Blair said so) she can't be soft-soaped. Theresa May might fool the Tories, parliament and the country. But I would be amazed if even she is stupid enough to lie to the Queen.

Incidentally, Camerons shocking breach of royal confidence is another reason to pin him as cunt. I suspect Her Madge was highly unamused, and a severe tongue lashing and warning to subsequent PMs given. In fact, I'd like to think on the first meeting as PM, the Queen said something along the lines of "Do you remember what David Cameron did ? Well don't ever do that.". In fact maybe in time it will become a tradition, with Charles, William, George all telling future PMs not to be a "Cameron Cock".

Truly David Cameron has carved his place in UK political history.

"what THE PEOPLE voted for"
"the will of THE BRITISH PUBLIC"
"what PEOPLE voted for in 2016"

I'm not a member of the PEOPLE or THE PUBLIC in those statements. I didn't vote for this fiasco. Remainers are expected to suck up & stay quiet, and we mostly do (even T-May has done). We aren't even in power nor is any party in power representing our viewpoint. So who are the comments directed at, really? Dog whistles for the rabid Euroskeptics to keep pressure up? Howls of protest at the divided Brexiter lobby to find their own way of sucking up the inevitable crapola they campaigned for?

That's why a statement like ".... put your differences behind, accept that Leave won!'" makes no sense. The Brexiters won, they are fighting among themselves what LEAVE means, and THAT is what created crisis today. Us Remainers are not the stumbling blocks. Why keep directing criticism at us when LEAVE campaigners can't sort selves out, why should REMAIN MPs have to step in to clean up the LEAVERs' mess? Just coz TMay chose to do that, doesn't mean everyone else has to abandon sense.

May did lie to the Queen, or at least misled her, after the last GE when she claimed to have formed a Government before she'd got the DUP agreement.
I remember the Palace were not at all impressed.

I remember the Palace were not at all impressed.

I can imagine the Queen being unbelievably blunt when she needs to. This is a lady who was busy fixing motor engines during the war, before sneaking incognito into the VE day celebrations, and subsequently having to deal with people from Roosevelt onwards - first as Princess, and then as Queen. Given that she has personally known every single Prime Minister since Churchill (so Churchill, Eden, MacMillan, Home, Wilson, Heath, Callaghan, Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown, Cameron and May) then she could quite correctly suggest that May wasn't quite in their league without being wrong. Or snippy for that matter.

One can only speculate as to her thoughts on Trump, compared to Kennedy.

Of course the Queen will be told and will be in a position to make the PM justify herself to her. But she will not intervene. That's what I meant by "stay out of it". I'm not as old as the Queen but I am quite old. The only time I've ever heard her views getting to the public were over Orgreave (google it) when she was allegedly horrified at the police being used as political tools and used for violence against the miners.