So if today is the day it’s finally acknowledged we are getting BINO

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What is the fucking point?

Two and a half years they’ve had.

No deal is better than a bad deal they said.

We will not remain in a customs union they said.

No government could accept NI being treated differently to rUK they said.

All lies.

And for what.

We will have a worse deal than we did before with much less sovereignty.

As I’ve read elsewhere, this will unite the country......in thinking this is the worst of every world.

Really angry today.

How much time and money has this shambles cost? How much time has been taken from dealing with housing, the rise in violent crime, the NHS, social care, the haemorrhaging of teachers from the education system, climate change, the huge rise in mental health problems among young people etc etc etc?
What a fucking joke.
It chokes me to say that the handful of people who I have respect for in all this are the Tory rebels who have actually put their country before their party - Jo Johnson, Anna Soubry, Sarah Wollaston and a few others.
JRM, Bojo and their pals have shown themselves to be the privileged snivelling cowards that they are - whinging from the sidelines but not prepared to put their vast amounts of money where their mouths are and come up with any alternative solution.
I love my country but I feel ashamed to be British right now.

Brexit In Name Only.
The 'concept' originally was that the government would think of a 'deal' and call it 'Brexit' that they could tell the UK, which actually hardly changed anything in relations to Europe. Essentially staying as we were but putting a pretty bow around it and saying it is a good deal (which it would have been). Anything announced now will be significantly worse than we had, as even if we did 'BINO' we and the EU have spent billions preparing (which needs to be paid for) and a fair chunk of industry and services have been frightened off and are relocating elsewhere. The ERG and the 'Leave' campaigns were promising things that do not exist in the world. No radically new opportunities that could possibly improve on the deals we had.
The rest of the world is watching the UK in disbelief. We HAD probably the best deals of all the EU countries and we have thrown it away.

How much time and money has this shambles cost? How much time has been taken from dealing with housing, the rise in violent crime, the NHS, social care, the haemorrhaging of teachers from the education system, climate change, the huge rise in mental health problems among young people etc etc etc?
What a fucking joke.

Strange to think that it’s only 3 years since we avoided ‘chaos with Ed Miliband’.

Desperately waiting for some Brexiters to come up with some positives in all of this

Desperately waiting for some Brexiters to come up with some positives in all of this

I’m waiting to see what those who ‘just want to be out of the EU’ say.

Of course ‘they need us more than we need them’.

The Tories have never shown themselves to care about the National Interest but you and many other Remainers carried on voting for them even when they had a firm and solid manifesto commitment to hold a referendum on EU membership.
You should hold your head in eternal shame for what you ve (helped) cause.

Your title post is totally wrong, its not BINO at all, its the worst of all deals cobbled together to keep the Tory party in one piece and May in power for a few more years,

If it gets through cabinet, i only hope that Labour /ERG/DUP vote it down but i suspect they will not.

I only hope that Labour /ERG/DUP vote it down but i suspect they will not.

Funny that it’s my fault for voting Tory in the past but you supporting a spineless opposition is just fine.

What happened to your conviction that JC would vote this down?

BINO was always going to be a worse deal.

We already had the best deal.

The irony of it all is that those who led the campaign for Brexit were given prominent roles in achieving this deal, they bowed out when they realised that they would be hung out to dry for not achieving anything that they promised. Not because of any EU intransigence, but because they had made promises that couldn't be achieved, to anyone who would listen.

Now from the outside they can hurl rocks at this agreement, and stamp their feet, whilst blaming others. Which was all they were ever good at in the first place. Malcontented saboteurs, not leaders or statesmen.

If it gets through cabinet, i only hope that Labour /ERG/DUP vote it down but i suspect they will not.

And then what?

No deal Brexit? Will that be better?

This is all lose/lose situation.

merry Oh yes, the ‘coalition of chaos’ we were warned about by TM before she formed her own coalition of chaos with a bunch of loons after calling a needless GE and costing the taxpayers £1 billion for the privilege having miraculously found this money down the back of the sofa after spending the last 8 years telling us that there is no money for the Police or for social care or for SEND provision.
< hollow laugh >

Fuck the fucking lot of them.
I hope we are not coughing up taxes to pay for Police protection for that cowardish cunt, Cameron.
He can pay for it himself. After all, we’re all in this together

This is like staying in the EU but with none of the benefits.

The PM must be bluffing her way to a 2nd referendum, surely? And this way she forces all the Brexiters to resign.

I'm hoping it's a cunning plan.

The alternative is bloody terrifying.

If only it was BINO. It's BINO for NI but rest of us fucked.

I have reached the point of desperation that I might just accept BINO even though its idiotic but this deal, is as reported, is worst case scenario for everyone.

Nicola Sturgeon correctly points out the NI set to cream off all Scottish business by being in SM.

Remain voters have been so royally fucked over I don't think they will ever trust our politicians again.

I don’t think TM does cunning plans. All the signs are that she doesn’t have enough intelligence for it.

Still, she might be bluffing on that, too...

BINO was always going to be a worse deal

Then its not BINO is it? its brexit in a lot more than name only!!!!

The noises coming from Labour are that they'll support it, very very disappointing if true and as i said earlier, i will whole heatedly admit i was wrong and JC et al are bunch of spineless losers who will never get my vote again.

However we are in this mess because DC got into power, that's the root cause, Labour had a moderate leader and Tory remainers did not vote for him.

The PM must be bluffing her way to a 2nd referendum, surely?

I'm thinking this. Or a snap GE. So she can blame anyone but her lot of cronies.

She wanted a "clear mandate", but she's never going to get one because the country is now so horribly split.

Unfortunately all this 'political theatre' is a complete load of nonsense.
What is absolutely crucial is a plan for 30th March 2019 after a UK Prime Minister scrawls on a piece of paper in Brussels.
Unless (and even if) A50 were to be revoked there is no plan as to what happens on 30th.
The companies that have already announced a shutdown will shut, and will be deciding whether to open again. UK business will need vast amounts of money to get things moving again and I doubt there is enough stashed under the sofa in No 10.
Anyone thinking that 'the week after March 29th will be just fine', simply hasn't grasped the magnitude of what is happening.

When article 50 was invoked, the politicians should have acknowledged the huge responsibility and gravitas of the situation to form some kind of 'cross party cabinet' that was in charge of negotiations / planning.

The problem here was I believe that Theresa May did it off her own bat, egged on by her two advisers. If she had had the sense to go to Parliament and allow a proper debate, A50 even now might not have been invoked and we might have had MPs really looking hard at the problems facing the country, and advising on whether leaving the EU was the way to tackle these problems.

The 'concept' originally was that the government would think of a 'deal' and call it 'Brexit' that they could tell the UK, which actually hardly changed anything in relations to Europe.

The idea was that we would cherry pick - stay in the CU and Single market, so gain all the benefits, but not pay for it, and opt out of FoM and the ECJ. This was going to work because they needed us more than we needed them. The rest of the EU called our bluff.

The 'blame game' won't work. Unless treaties (an awful lot of them) have been signed ready to go into action the second after 11pm on 29th the world of the UK will stop. If you happen to be driving home on the night of 29th, and your insurance is with an EU insurer that has not ratified what happens, you will be uninsured, so if you are unfortunately have a 'prang' you will not be covered.

This was going to work because they needed us more than we needed them

And everyone had (again) forgotten about Ireland.

{Huge waste of time, energy and money.}
With the added disadvantage that all the EU based companies, especially those relying on JIT deliveries will be gone. Their business plans are looking 5 to 10 years ahead and the UK gov have proven they can't be trusted. On top of this, there is a global slowdown and AND a shift to developing countries, all of which make the UK a distinctly unattractive place to continue or start new enterprises.
The UK gov can stir the mess around as much as it likes but ultimately the UK has to trade with places 'off the island (including NI) and business will simply follow Mr Bo Johnson's advice.

IF the deal is passed:

• then we have 20 months of transition under the same EU terms as now - trade, FOM, flights etc -
• then the transition will be extended again repeatedly, because it takes 10+ years to negotiate most trade deals, unless one side just capitulates, e.g. like most individual countries do to the US
• we'll eventually elect a government that goes for Norway ++

So, we'll end up with full BINO, just in 10 years or so