When is this going to end?

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More can kicking down the road today.

How's it going to end?

Will the ERG accept an extension to the transition period?

What will it achieve anyway?

Is anyone happy with this situation?

What's a backstop ?

It's becoming more and more like 'The Emperor's New Clothes' every minute.

A backstop is what they are trying to agree as a default position at then end of the current transition period when in case we have no other solution for the NI border.

I've been a passionate remainer but I'm close to peak Brexit.

I wish the EU would extend A50 (is that legally even possible?) to protect the 16million from a government who are not fit for purpose. And the opposition are equally useless.

Former PM of Finland is on Channel 4 now saying there will be a deal.

Any deal the EU proposes will be to preserve the other 27 countries, that is their job and hasd a strong mandate to achieve that.
The rules say that ANY deal a leaving country gets must not be better that the remaining countries get, therefore it MUST be a 'worse' deal, even if it is a percentage point in tariffs or whatever.
It will be so interesting to finally know what the NDAs were to all the big manufacturers which I can be revealed on the morning of 30th March at which point the massive damage that has been done already.

And Macon is pissing me off.

Macron!

I'd be happy if this meant we didn't crash out at the end of March with no deal. That would truly be catastrophic for us all.

Any deal the EU proposes will be to preserve the other 27 countries, that is their job and hasd a strong mandate to achieve that

And any deal the U.K. proposes must preserve NI as part of the U.K.

The two are not compatible so surely it has to be all in or all out? there is no middle ground unless I am missing something.

Maybe the two original options on the ballot paper should have just been prefaced with the word ‘all’ and the pantomime of the last two years would have been averted.

And the extension is just a crappy idea all round.

It’s never going to end.

It’s going to limp on because uk politicians either need to shit or get off the pot. But we have no leaders. Only followers who don’t actually want to stick their necks out.

I think it will only end in a generation, when the current politicians, and older more racist xenophobes who glorify the empire have passed on. And I am older too, but voted Remain, so don't count myself.

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Don't know who is being brow beaten into submission most.

Mrs May's job should be to get the best 'deal' for the UK. The ORIGINAL best deal would have been to NOT invoke A50 when she did, but to properly evaluate all the issues. It is pretty clear that remaining and putting more effort into working within the EU to help resolve European issues would have been best. Cameron had actually got about 75% of what he went to Brussels for before he took the stupid vote.
If you went into work and 'demanded' a significant pay rise, would you consider quitting the company if you 'only' got 75% of what you were asking for?

A staged withdrawal would have made sense, like Richard/Pete North propose, with multiphase many years adjustments to get to point (finally) when "we can make our deals".

Trying to do this too fast.

It's just shit all round isn't it?

It is sooo embarrassing for the UK on the International front, friends i know across 3 continents think we have fallen far from the nation they thought we were!

@time4chocolate you are spot on (i never thought i'd say that lol!) we now have to decide on no-deal or stay in.

jasjas1973

Spoiler: Never

Actually it’s a good question- where will it end?

What is going to happen in reality - not in fantasy land
There isn’t a solution to NI/GFA that suits everyone (apart from cancelling a50 and remaining in the Eu) What about Gibraltar? The expats living in Eu countries ? The Eu people living working and paying tax here?
So nothing changes And we crash out in March
Then what??

I realise we are looking at economic collapse But politically what happens next??

The EU must despair of us.

TM hasn't got a mandate.

She has no authority to say the things she does.

It started with her 'red lines' but now she appears to be losing support from all side with her latest transition extension comments which she has already started back tracking on.

What is the point in negotiating when we haven't accepted that fact 'cake and eat it' can't happen and we have no other agreed outcome.

Lord only knows where it will end.

I agree with you op. May’s red lines are a huge part of the issue. And she seems to have no appreciation that the EU have their own red lines too.

My eldest is nearly 8, I was really hopeful the fallout from this would have mostly settled by the time she’s 18. That hope is dwindling fast.

It's not going to end.

It's not going to end because there is no way to deliver the Brexit that was promised in 2016.

There is no way to deliver the Brexit that was promised in 2016 because there were all kinds of mutually contradictory promises made, plus a whole load of empty slogans, the only consistent thing being that it was going to be Great. And then 17 million people each painted their own personal picture of Great Brexit.

And there is no way it is going to be Great because every way of being Out is worse than being In. And anyway there are 17 million versions of unattainable Great Brexit all based on mutually contradictory promises and empty slogans.

Whatever kind of Brexit is achieved, once the bunting and balloons are cleared away, there are going to be a lot of unhappy people who didn't get their personal vision of Great Brexit.

And actually the unhappy people secretly already know they're not going to get their personal vision of Great Brexit. They've known since 2016. That's why they've lined up their multi-layered list of people to blame, in which they personally don't feature.

I think it will only end after something cataclysmic happens. E.g. during the 1930s people were beginning to work on local health care schemes which became the for-runners of the NHS, but it took WW2 to make them be realised nationally. This was when the political will was there to do so.

It's just dragging on now.

What is going to change now, next week or next year?

Nothing!

That's because we're not even trying to change anything or propose any solutions.

I wish they'd announce no deal now.

That way the shit will really hit the fan, the impact will become crystal clear to those who are refusing to see and there might be a chance of pulling it back before the end of Mrach.