If there were a 2nd vote, how could a Remain campaign be effective?

[Echobelly]

Obviously, there's not going to be a second vote, and as I've said on these boards before, I think it would descend into brutal unpleasantness. And a 'Remain' result would not be a forgone conclusion by a long shot

But if there were to be, how could a Remain campaign avoid being patronising, alienating and be more effective than 'Project Fear'?

I think it would have to focus on a very local basis on what an area does get from the EU, ie emphasise the positive, and point out the total lack of solid improvements that Leavers can point to in return. 'Exciting opportunities' don't count. Maybe pointing out the ways that Brexit will not solve the problems that people are complaining about, and suggesting ways that the government could, for example, address unemployment, lack of housing and so on, that would do much more good than leaving the EU.

Like I said, purely hypothetical, but I do think the Remain side suffered from snobbery, a patronising attitude and an inability to listen to genuine concerns and suggest alternatives.

They would have to ban false advertising. So no more £350 million a week which could be spent on the NHS.

....an inability to listen to genuine concerns and suggest alternatives.

True, but the Referendum was Cameron's baby, and he was hardly going to point out that his government was rubbish and self serving. I think if they did listen, and did show a convincing attempt to do something about people's problems, then people wouldn't mind Brexit being cancelled.

They would need a time machine and the ability to hide forty years of experience living with the EU to change my mind.

I'd rather like to see a second referendum given all the lies told in preparation for the first. Also a second ref would be on a specific case stay or leave on deal x. As for a remain campaign; I think Boris, Gove and Davis are the best campaign material that the remain camp could have.

I don't think you need to worry. The media and those in power have been pushing Remain ever since the first vote and I think soon it will come out that we are somehow not leaving or will have another vote once they are sure they have manipulated/scared enough Leavers into changing

Corbyn should be willing to share a platform with Theresa or whoever and say "this is so feckin' important, I am prepared to share a platform with this tossed in order to urge you to vote Remain in the national interest". That kind of thing.
Flying pigs and unicorns sort of thing.

tosser not "tossed". In case you couldn't guess

Which media have been pushing Remain? Telegraph, Mail, Express, BBC Question Time, Today programme with John Humphreys. If that lot were pushing Remain, I don't know what pushing Leave would look like.

Funny if the media have been pushing remain since the referendum, because my memory of the media for decades leading upto the referendum was one of cynicism and negativity about the EU

Funny isn't it. Farage has been on Question Time something like 33 times in the last 5 years. Hannan has been on twice. Anti-Brexit spokespeople of all the other parties have been of for a humungous total of ZERO. Oh, yes the media is biased towards Remain. Pull the other one.

Are you seriously saying there have been no pro remain supporters on QT? You pull the other one. And BBC news definitely has an anti Brexit tone. But over the past 40 years or so before the referendum, the media in general has been anti EU

We must have imagined all those Farage appearances. The Greens got the same number of votes at the 2015 election as UKIP - when are they on QT?

So how could Remain be more effective - wall to wall coverage on QT with Remain spokespeople, for a start.

And BBC news definitely has an anti Brexit tone.
Strange perspective there. I had to stop listening to R4 because of the pro-Brexit drivel that was regularly left unchallenged. And Question Time is just a joke with the constant appearances of professional shit-stirrers like Isabel Oakeshott and eejit audience members like this one who voted leave because of bananas.
How can any campaign be effective against nonsense like that?

"Despite thousands of jobs set to move to the continent due to Brexit, Britain’s financial services minister said he would do all he can to ensure the City of London remains a major financial centre."

Finally my disbelief is fading-I am starting to accept we deliberately decided to put our wealth and well being in jeopardy. Since the ref I was frozen in a ground hog day of denial and disbelief. I now am starting to genuinely accept that this was a choice we made.

"John Glen said he agreed with Bank of England estimates that 5,000 financial services jobs will have moved to continental Europe by the time Britain is due to leave the European Union next March." And that's just the start..

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-banks/britain-expects-5000-financial-services-jobs-to-leave-by-brexit-day-idUKKCN1MK11S

Sorry wrong thread!