Brexit - The Ultimate Smokescreen

[C0ll4p53]

Some of you may already be aware of this, but reading through these threads I have a feeling that most do not.

First of all, do your own research.

Forget Economist, Financial Times etc. They represent the very people who put this smokescreen in front of you.

The reality, in short, is that this country will collapse. It is a mathematical certainly, we have unsustainable debt and our population itself is unsustainable. This has been 100 years in the making, not a year or two since Brexit.

Britain has been getting poorer in terms of GDP since 1900. Inflation has continued to increase and we are approaching hype-inflation. This is a result of ending the gold standard and essentially ending the very definition of money. What we have now is debt, not money in its conventional form. When money is backed by gold and silver, there is a worth to it. When it is backed by thin air and printed in the trillions, there is no worth to it. It is simply used to keep a country above water by buying up debt.

A third world war is also a huge possibility, we are pretty much at the same place now as we were prior to WW1 and not just economically. Propaganda against Germany then - today propaganda against Russia.

Remember though, war is profitable and in every conflict since Human history has been able to be documented, groups of people have profited from war - usually the same ones that engineered it.

The collapse of Britain will also signal the collapse of Europe, America and emerging markets. This will be chaos like none of us have experienced in our lifetimes. A necessary chaos though for a system reset.

Stop stressing over Brexit, Brexit is the scapegoat, the necessary evil for the economic collapse. However, collapse is inevitable, so prepare yourselves now and remember, if you don't hold it, you don't own it.

Good luck

An interesting thought. Who is going to fight who and why?

1tisILeClerc - The lines have been pretty much drawn and as with the previous global conflicts, there could be three main theatres - Russia against NATO in Europe. Iran and Shiite allies against Saudi/Israel alliance in Middle East. China (Pakistan and other Asian reluctant allies) against America and reluctant Asian allies (India, Japan etc) in Asia, that could also see direct conflict between India and Pakistan. There may be other skirmishes supported by proxy across Africa and South America (as always) but the aforementioned will be the main areas of conflict that I can see. I also don't believe at first, this will be conventional war, it will be cyber (as we are in the middle of right now). The conventional war is not necessary with today's technology, but as damage is inflicted either by cyber attack on critical infrastructure/services, it will turn in to a conventional war. I also don't believe that it is a war that the West can win. Having grossed such insurmountable levels of debt, perhaps it is a war that the West is not meant to win so that Asia and other areas of the world can become new hosts for the international banking system. All my opinion, but that is how things looking.

Don't forget, WW1 was a battle of superpowers and emerging superpowers that saw alliances direct and indirect seemingly in a state of war overnight. Things can happen very quickly, but the writing is certainly on the wall for a global monetary system reset, that I believe will hit the West and emerging markets the hardest.

Have you been reading The Fourth Turning by any chance?

This sounds very Steven Bannon - esque.

Imminent war in this island will be a civil war, at least that's what its funders have paid for.

And can we hope for our own Donald Trump to lead us into this new longed-for war?

I really hope not.

A war involving shooting and blowing things up is one aspect but it is the 'hearts and minds' that are important.
The First and Second world wars and in many respects all wars up until the digital and particularly mobile communications really took off were very crude in nature. With the ability for any one person to communicate directly with any other person on the planet this changes things somewhat.
It is worth considering motives to declare war.

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Christ, we're doomed!

Well, this is a cheery thought for a Saturday morning

I suppose at this point being self sufficient with your family on a tiny island that no one else can find has considerable attraction.
Being the 'ruler of the planet' is all very well but what would you do then?
Although probably incorrect, the Roman empire in the UK got as far as the England/Scotland border region and said 'bugger it, it's far too cold lets put a wall up and declare it job done'.
Although there is potential for vast changes, there is the fact that at the end of the day SOMEONE has to grow food, make 'things' do the washing up etc, so the extreme mundane will prevail although the circumstances surrounding this could get changed.
Fighting over drinkable water and fertile land may become more of an issue. With parts of Africa and other areas losing vegetation due to climate change this will cause a significant impact.

The real problems facing the world are mass migration, water/food shortages and climate change

Any new WW could well end in Nuclear war. few if any would survive.

Steve Bannon wants this type of thing to happen. Would make a great movie. People like him will get rich no matter what.

I have some delightful unicorns dancing on my lawn in the sunshine this morning (well a red squirrel) so if you guys could hang on for your war for say 20 years, when I will probably be dead, hopefully naturally and peacefully, I would appreciate it.

Manipulating perceptions of the inevitable uncertainties of human life is a well used and ancient technique for social control. Nostradamus was at it over 500 years ago. Poor little bannon and co haven't got an original thought between them. What they do have is these pesky screens.

Wow op. Maybe you are right - after all it could well be the illuminati pulling the strings on behalf of the intergalactic lizard people from planet twelfty.

More dross on the TV and increase the dosage of flouride in the drinking water.
Bring on Wall-E.

10degreestostarboard

Personally I think it is more the white mice in Hitch hikers guide, that is why I talk nicely to the mice in my house as they are probably the foot soldiers of the 'master/mistress'.

LOL to some of the comments, but fair points one and all.

I don't follow Steve Bannon or read his books, my job is to read figures, charts and analyse data. The only good books are those books that enhance my ability to do my job. All the best books have been written on such a subject and most of those that have written those books, some of the greatest analytical and mathematical minds ever to have lived, have past on.

Deep conspiracy stuff is not what I am in to as such, I have spent decades in finance. I deal in figures, in decimals, in financial statements, with analytical, quantitative and qualitative processes. I have no time for lizard people, although if they can trade I'm sure they will get a job in the city at the drop of a hat. However, there are things that happen that I assume gets past of as conspiracy stuff and I know for a fact, that those things are true. So I ask myself, if the establishment is lying in many areas and playing it off as conspiracists and their tin foil hat theories, what else is there? So that's what prompted me to have a look closely at what is going on here.

I am on here because I assume the vast majority of you have children, as I do. The 2007 crisis was not a shock to quite a few people, I was in a meeting in 2006 that stated a need to immediately review our exposure to off balance sheet liabilities, which was ultimately linked to subprime mortgages and a huge bubble that was about to bust. When it finally did, a lot of people made a lot of money, while millions of people lost fortunes, jobs and homes across America, UK and elsewhere. They never resolved this, they just printed more money from thin air and thus continued global inflation. It wasn't merely booting the can down the road, it was driving a ticking A-bomb down the road.

What is coming will eclipse that, it will even eclipse the 1929 depression because it is the end of the line for fiat currencies where the debt has reached its limit. You can believe me or not, your choice and laugh this off by all means, but will you be laughing when you have no food? When your property is worthless? When you're out of a job and in the middle of mass civil unrest completely unprepared?

Please do me a favour, I am sure you are all smart, just do your own research. Study the markets, look at where it is all going. Look at the GDP of Britain since 1900, look at the cost of living in the last 100 years, look at the debt, look at the welfare, look how many people rely on welfare. Then if you think there is no problem, fine. If you think there is a problem, then prepare yourselves and your families for what will be an massive crash for the UK and many other nations.

May be I am wrong and I hope I am, but at the end of 2007 I didn't think it would be the end. In 2001 and 1990, I was confident that yes corrections are needed, let's keep going and limit exposure to toxic liabilities. My assets and my portfolio, all good and sound. Now, the math on the data I am looking at, no matter what I do, is not working out, we have reached the absolute limit and something huge is going to happen.

May be it will be WW3 before the crisis, may be the economic crisis will simply hit, may be both. Something huge is about to happen, it has to happen, there is nowhere else to go now. For me, Trump and Brexit are a necessary evil because when this hits, if they say blame the bankers and traders - you're talking about people getting massacred in the city! Nobody is going to sit tight for another monetary collapse caused by greed.

Honestly, I hope I'm wrong - we will know this time next year.

You may now continue with the jokes...

Hi @C0ll4p53 . I'm not as negative about the future but I'm a prepper just in case.
How did you vote in the Brexit referendum? Surely a vote to Leave was a vote to hasten economic crisis.
Did you want that?

bellinisurge - I voted to Remain, but was convinced at the time that it would not make a difference. I was suspect of even the very notion idea of giving people a vote on something so important as membership to the EU, it did not make sense to me, especially when just as important issues have never sought the public vote. I do not hold it against people though who voted for or against, people will vote in line with their subjective situation and that is fair enough. Some of the hostility I have read/heard from both camps has been crazy, but then neither camp helped themselves in the run up. I felt Remain did nothing to address the actual facts of leaving the EU, just rambled about chaos, you need to use specifics and examples when speaking of chaos, not just a generalisation. Perhaps though that was their agenda all along.

The EU has done a lot of good, but in many ways it hasn't helped itself when it has come to public confidence. The recent migrant crisis is an example of that, but so too interest rates set to benefit the few. I still think it can work, but it needs a model that integrates while taking in to account the differences across Europe. What will work for Germany, more often than not will not work for Spain, Greece, Italy and many others. The differences need to be embraced and utilised while moving towards greater integration, at a slower pace. Most certainly the migrant crisis needs to be dealt with and swiftly, but also unemployment across the EU.

Again though, the economic crisis is at the door, Brexit, issues in Europe, its for the most part all a by product of the same issue, a monetary system that is corrupt to the core. Regardless of Brexit, this economic collapse will hit and hit hard, I just think they're trying to use Trump, Brexit, populist movements across Europe etc as a cover for when it does hit. As I said, this has been building for the past 100 years with intermittent recessions throughout.

I am glad to read that you are prepping though, its always good to prepare for eventualities. As it is said, in times of peace, prepare for war.

Blimey. Who knew

Shouldn't you be sending this to someone important or something?

Voting 'remain' , and remaining would have made some difference probably staving off what could well be 'disaster' in the UK.
Whether there really is a total meltdown globally is a different thing. People will always survive somehow. Even if 'humanity' went back to living in caves and hunting/gathering. It would not be what most actually WANT to happen but life goes on through adversity.

@C0ll4p53 so have you battened down the hatches and liquidised all of your assets. You talk about your assets and your portfolio being sound. Is that because you have paid off any mortgage and debts and invested the rest in food and supplies.

Not mocking. I am a prepper (although at a fairly basic level and its really limited to having no debts or mortgage, a decent level of savings and a good stock of food for relatively short term emergencies). I'm just interested in the fact that you seem to still be investing which indicates that actually your agenda could be to bring about a crash in order to profit.