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Navy called upon to defend UK fishing boats against French

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Clairetree1 · 30/08/2018 10:22

so what next?

the French call upon their navy to defend French fishing boats against the British navy?

French and British warships pointing guns at each other?

who would have expected that possibility to be seriously discussed on the news, even as little as 3 days ago?

British fishing boats who feel that Brexit releases them from the "gentlemans agreement" not to fish when the French are leaving scallops to breed.

French fishing boats retaliating with rocks and bottles, ramming, firing flares into British ships, "smoke bombs" ( which some are claiming were actual fire bombs) This is piracy undoubtably

British captains recommending carrying arms, to protect their crews.

Navy called on to provide protection.

The UK government needs to step in and order British ships out of these waters.

The French government needs to investigate the incidents and bring charges, with heavy prison sentences for anyone convicted.

This is ridiculous, and it needs sorting now, before things escalate.

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1tisILeClerc · 30/08/2018 11:54

Maybe I should start a 'free the scallop' campaign, I don't want to eat them.

PineappleSunrise · 30/08/2018 11:57

And while there IS an agreement. Imagine how things are going to go when we crash out and there are no agreements at all.

woman11017 · 30/08/2018 12:02

Navy called on to provide protection
by the fisherman's friend, the DUP. Hmm

Quietrebel · 30/08/2018 12:11

The violent nature of the French response is indefensible, full stop. Apparently though tensions over this very issue has been building up for over 10 years. I dread to think what brexit will do to Anglo-french relations.

DGRossetti · 30/08/2018 12:24

The violent nature of the French response is indefensible, full stop.

Not really sure UK - with it's long proud history of bombing innocent civilians really gets a look in when it comes to outrage here.

1tisILeClerc · 30/08/2018 12:32

I wonder which country has the ports and a railway that allow reasonably priced goods to get to the UK.......

Seniorschoolmum · 30/08/2018 12:33

The diplomats will get together and come to an agreement. That’s their job and they will need to do this more and more often when we leave the EU.
This isn’t the first time this has happened. Over the years UK fishermen have clashed with Spaniards, French and others. It flares up every now and then. We’ve had cod wars before now. It’ll settle down.

Theperfectchangeling · 30/08/2018 12:36

“Not really sure UK - with it's long proud history of bombing innocent civilians really gets a look in when it comes to outrage here.”

For god’s sake, that has nothing to do with this situation and the fishermen’s mlives being deliberately endangered. You could play smoke and mirrors like that over EVERY situation, it’s unhelpful and not relevant to resolving/understanding the situation!

Theperfectchangeling · 30/08/2018 12:37

Over used the word situation there! But you get my gist! Wink

1tisILeClerc · 30/08/2018 12:44

@The perfect
And you can't see a parallel with the UK wanting to be out of the EU because SOME EU workers were apparently 'stealing' UK jobs, particularly jobs that are beneath 'entitled' UK workers to do?
The UK (prospective) workers can get benefits from the Gov whereas workers can come across from the poorer EU countries and pick fruit and veg for you largely without any security or benefits.

maZebraltov · 30/08/2018 12:45

The delicious irony about this is that ~80% of "British" scallops are exported back to Europe. That's right, we sell their scallops back to them. So who will buy these darn scallops after Brexit, anyway? Especially if they can buy the scallops cheaper from EU27-based fisher-people.

It's the planning side of this incident that gets to me. You don't have stones lying around at sea ready to lob at your enemies. The French set sail with stones and bottles on board planning to throw them.

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Clairetree1 · 30/08/2018 12:47

the french fisherman need to take it up with their own government as to why they have heavier restrictions on fishing for these same scallops.

becasue they are in French water, and the French restrictions are to keep the supply sustainable

Fishing communities along our northern coast were decimated because they weren’t allowed to fish in British waters

how do you work that out? less than 15% of EU waters are British, so the area Brits could fish extended massively.

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Clairetree1 · 30/08/2018 12:48

Not really sure UK - with it's long proud history of bombing innocent civilians really gets a look in when it comes to outrage here.

how utterly irrelevant and ridiculous.

Name one of those British fishermen who has bombed innocent civilians

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Clairetree1 · 30/08/2018 12:52

The diplomats will get together and come to an agreement. That’s their job and they will need to do this more and more often when we leave the EU.

yes, and they are doing so well....Hmm

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Clairetree1 · 30/08/2018 12:53

Then I'm afraid it is the French boats who are wrong and quite right that our Navy should protect them.

how exactly?

do you want the British Navy to fire on French ships? really?

Do you want the British Navy to be seen to stand by and do nothing?

What do you expect them to do?

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1tisILeClerc · 30/08/2018 13:45

On the principle that there are plenty more fish in the sea, and other places a bit further from the French coast it is quite obvious that the British fishermen were deliberately being antagonistic.
A gentler 'retaliation' by European fish markets would be to refuse to buy British caught fish. EU food regulations mean that the source of foods has to be declared.

DGRossetti · 30/08/2018 13:59

A gentler 'retaliation' by European fish markets would be to refuse to buy British caught fish. EU food regulations mean that the source of foods has to be declared.

It's interesting that a lot of US regulations are intended to achieve the reverse, and obscure the source.

Also, if what you write is true, why is there no country of origin stated on the Old El Paso Jalapenos I'm quite partial to ?

1tisILeClerc · 30/08/2018 14:15

Country of origin Mexico. £1,38 for a 215 gram jar at Tesco.
2 jars for £2,50.

DGRossetti · 30/08/2018 14:30

Country of origin Mexico

Doesn't say that on the jar, anywhere ...

1tisILeClerc · 30/08/2018 14:55

Probably a fake then!
What I do IRL involves purchasing small parts which each have a country of origin and if it is an assembled unit, country of last 'worked upon'. Each has a tariff code. EG computer screen bracket, made in China tariff code 85369010.
Apples sold in UK (and elsewhere) supermarkets have sticky labels with a 'farm' code which identifies where they came from.

DGRossetti · 30/08/2018 14:59

Probably a fake then!

From Sainsburys ?

BeefyCakes · 30/08/2018 15:08

They're from Spain unless it says otherwise.

1tisILeClerc · 30/08/2018 15:14

Don't blame me, I am not the 'labels on jars' police.
This taken from the Tesco website (having googled Old el passo Jalapenos).

Country of Origin

Mexico
Origin Free Text

Made in Mexico
Number of uses

4 Contains 4 portions
Name and address

Made for:
General Mills International Sàrl,
Switzerland.
General Mills UK,
P.O. Box 363,
Uxbridge,

Apart from this, most countries promote their own produce.
There was a 'We're backing Britain' campaign many years ago.
I think one of the words is now incorrect.

DGRossetti · 30/08/2018 15:16

They're from Spain unless it says otherwise.

My point was it doesn't say at all ...

I noticed it a while back when we started buying them again (went off them for a bit). It struck me as odd, and I squirelled it away, but the upthread discussion about requirements for labelling origin of foods intrigued me ...

a quick dekko at : www.oldelpaso.co.uk/products/sliced-green-jalapenos

reveals no more details ...

1tisILeClerc · 30/08/2018 15:24

Borrowed from that website:
All Old El Paso™ products are subject to reformulation at any given time. We therefore recommend that you always check the ingredient list on our product packs prior to purchase to determine product content.

In the finer print that might not make it to the packaging.
'*New for UK customers from 2019 onwards, may contain sawdust,grass and anything else 'icky' we can find'.
Disclaimer, this is NOT real and no unicorns were tortured to make this statement.