84 technical notices, starting Thursday

[Clairetree1]

Any predictions anybody?

Below are extracts from the Business Insider, about technical notices due for publication - I don't know what these will be but the example given on the BBC news was that for example, importers will need to be ready to pay VAT 3 months earlier, so it would seem these "technical notices" are preparations from the govt or from us that are necessary for a no deal Brexit.

The UK government's preparations for crashing out of the European Union with no deal cover 84 areas of British life, a new leak has revealed.

Theresa May's government will soon publish an array of technical notices for British businesses and households explaining what contingency plans the UK has in place in the event of a no deal Brexit.

These notices —which government sources insist will show the UK "will be ready" for the hardest of Brexits — come amid warnings that leaving the EU with no deal could trigger chaos, like a shortage in food and medicine

Air services
Animal breeding
Aviation safety
Aviation security
Batch testing of medicine
Blood safety
Broadcasting
Chemicals regulation
Civil judicial cooperation
Civil nuclear
Climate
Commercial road haulage
Common Travel Area
Company law
Competition
Consumer protection
Cross-border gas trading
Customs and borders
Data
Driver licensing
Drugs
e-Commerce and geo-blocking
Electricity trading
Environmental standards
Equine movements
Erasmus
EU citizens in the UK
EU programmes and structural funds
EU space programmes
European regional development fund
European social fund
Export control regulation
Fertilisers
Financial services
Firearms
Fisheries, fish and seafood
Fluorinated gases and Ozone depleting substances
Food labelling
Genetically modified organisms
Geographical indicators
Health and identification marks for products of animal origin
Horizon 2020
Imports of food and feed
Insolvency
Intellectual property
Life sciences
Live animals and animal products
Maritime security
Motor insurance
New car and van CO2 emissions
NGOs
Nuclear research
Objects of cultural interest
Oil and gas
Organic food production
Organs, tissue, and cells
Passports
Payments to farmers
Pesticides regulations
Pet travel
Plants and seeds
Procurement
Product regulation
Registration of veterinary medicines
Renewable electricity issues
Rural Development Programme for England
Seafarer certification
Services
State aid
Telecoms
Timber trade
Tobacco
Trade agreements continuity
Trade in endangered species
Trade remedies
Trans-European energy infrastructure
UK citizens in the EU
UK LIFE projects
UK trade tariff
Upholding industrial emissions
VAT
Vehicle standards
Veterinary medicine products
Workplace rights

Might nudge the EU along and realise that the Gov. are serious about 'no deal is better than a bad deal'.

Nothing on agriculture? Or did I miss that?
Maybe it'll show the British electorate how fucking stupid and dangerous this is.

nudge them where?

The EU were well ahead and published theirs last November

The EU ones explain that all legal arrangements are nullified. All of them. Maybe we can renegotiate but given how brilliantly we are doing at the moment with negotiation, I wouldn't hold your breath. Or expect an uninterrupted food supply.

I’m so so angry about this
It was totally avoidable
If they’d said ‘ok the referendum suggested we want to leave let’s work out the finer details first then get the ball rolling at an opportune time’ or if the government had worked together and got a plan - a workable plan together before starting the a50
We might not be looking at such a terrible picture

Our children and grandchildren will not look kindly at us

Double do you think that the UK Govt notices will demonstrate that no deal is better than a bad deal?

The EU has already produced the equivalent notices for the EU 28 - that includes us - because they want to be transparent at all stages and so that we are all award of what a 'no deal' actually entails.

Double, have you bothered to read the EU notices? They have been available for quite some time.

I am suggesting that the EU should take the threat of us leaving without a deal seriously and give some leeway on our demands so this doesn't happen.
We were always going to have to produce these plans so it shouldn't surprise anyone.

ec.europa.eu/info/brexit/brexit-preparedness/preparedness-notices_en
Here are the EU technical notices.

(cross post)

@Doubletrouble99 -why should the EU give way to us? Just because we want them to? Foolish notion.

why should the EU give way to us?

DontTheyKnowWhoWeAreTheyNeedUsMoreThanWeNeedThemWeHoldAllTheCardsPunishmentBullying?

Continuing the 'they (EU27) need us more than we need them' basis of negotiation. Prove it double. Our Govt has failed to do this, as have the leave campaign groups and individuals. I would welcome your coherent, substantive analysis that supports the view that the EU27 'needs' require that they give the UK some leeway.

If no deal is better for our 60+m population then presumably the same could be said for the EU and its far greater 300+m population across 27 member states. The UK as a single sovereign state absorbs the negative consequences as against 27 individual sovereign EU member states each bearing a share, 1/27th if it were shared evenly but no single sovereign EU member state bearing 100% , of the negative consequences for the EU.

why should the EU give way to us?

Because otherwise we really really will shoot ourselves in the foot, look, we're really seriously going to.

I am suggesting that the EU should take the threat of us leaving without a deal seriously and give some leeway on our demands so this doesn't happen

This really is tedious.

When are Leavers going to accept the EU will not be 'threatened' by us.

They would rather we crash out than concede the underlying foundation of the EU which is the 4 freedoms.

They are not going to give in to our 'demands' and we have sod all negiotaing power to do anything about that.

DontTheyKnowWhoWeAreTheyNeedUsMoreThanWeNeedThemWeHoldAllTheCardsPunishmentBullying?

Exactly elements

I can't actually believe people still peddle this nonsense.

And Barnier is contiuning to make it very clear we are not going to get our own way just because we think we are special

Saying he had been following the British debate on the matter, Michel Barnier told reporters in Brussels:

“To be very frank with you I do see this blame game starting against the European Union in the case of no deal. But the European Union is not going to be impressed by that kind of blame game, everyone should understand that.

“On the first day of the first press conference I came before you as a negotiator, I said Brexit will have numerous consequences – human, social consequences, economic, financial, technical, legal – and I said that many people had underestimated those consequences.”

Bellinisurge there's fertilisers and payments to farmers in there, as well as animal breeding, environmental standards, food labelling, imports of food and feed, pesticides regulations, plants and seeds, live animals and animal products, product regulation, registration of veterinary medicines and medicince products, RDPE, trade tarrifs, industrial emissions and VAT.
Plenty for agriculture to focus on!

My prediction is that plenty of farming families are up shit creek.

Even Ruth Archer is sending a third of her sheep to slaughter in preparation for Brexit.

Or does that count as BBC bias?

@Buteo - I haven't listened to the Archers in a while. Maybe I should start again.

Bellini Adam wasn't a happy bunny, struggling to get pickers this year for the soft fruit. He was roping in all the Ambridge regulars to stop the fruit rotting on the vine.

I don't see how plenty of farming families are up shit creek. They might have to adjust what they're producing to suit local markets again but there's a bit of a mismatch of theories between 'no food on the supermarket shelves' and 'farming families are up shit creek' isn't there?

@FishesaPlenty - you don't pull produce out of a hat. You have to plan, prepare, cultivate, harvest , store, distribute. One shit year and you can be screwed.

Also FishesaPlenty farmers could be going to see their incomes drop, their workers disappear, their competition increase, their prices drop (probably), their input prices rise, their subsidies and support payments wane and their working environment become much more competitive.
Most of the sector just isn't structured to adapt to a free market, without the environment, animal welfare & public goods taking a massive hit, which the general public aren't prepared to take.
Many traditional farming families don't have the time, money, land, infrastructure or skills to adapt to a more competitive, lean global market.
And British consumers don't want to pay more for food.
Some businesses (the more industrial, efficient ones) will survive, but many tenants and more isolated, 'traditional' farmers can't go on much longer. It'll be a short sharp shock I fear, and the sector, and our countryside will change for ever.