International travel March 2019

[TakeAChanseyOnMe]

DH + 2 in laws + I are planning a trip to east Asia next Spring. We originally thought about April but should we have anything to worry about with the March Brexit deadline? I understand there's an extended deadline to Dec 2019.

3 out of 4 have British passports, one has an Irish passport but dual citizenship of GB. It'd be UK city -> Dubai -> Asia so not involving any mainland Europe countries. Am I worrying about nothing? Otherwise we'll just book the dates when it's cheapest!

Thought so. I’d like to reply to his tweet as it’s sitting there with no rebuttal. Would you mind providing a form of words?

I'm sure the insurance companies are just going to accept the UK's word that "We promise that nothing had changed and even though we have t yet got the body set up to oversee safety standards, we're sure everything is still ok".

Even before you get into the legalities of who is permitted to fly into which airspace and who accredits pilots, maintenance etc

@prettybird

The UK has acceded to a multi lateral treaty which allows fly over rights to airlines of the U.K.

However I do believe there is some conditionality in that you couldn't fly over Ireland with a 1960s Tupolev that hasn't been maintained.

Whatever the case planes cannot fly without treaties whether bilateral or multilateral. And we wouldn't have any in a Crash Out.

With a deal we would have one with the EU but not with other countries so even that is tricky.

I was being sarcastic - but it's all such a clusterfuck that it's perhaps not always obvious

....just pointing out that even if the UK were prepared overlook the fact that they were no longer party to the Open Skies agreement and EASA (and that the CAA can't quickly take over the duties), the insurance companies wouldn't.

Therefore planes will be grounded in a No Deal scenario.

Yes. And other countries like the US would not allow planes to fly in.

Yes, we could say Our rules are exactly the same as yours and the other Aviation authorities could reply So what? Not unless we have a formal agreement.

CAA is still following the Government line about exploring associate membership of EASA.

www.caa.co.uk/Our-work/About-us/EU-exit/

Meanwhile the EU has issued a Notice to Stakeholders concerning aviation rights:

ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/transport/files/legislation/brexit-notice-to-stakeholders-aviation-safety.pdf

From the EASA website:

After withdrawal the UK will cease to participate in the activities of EASA and consequently the UK Civil Aviation Authority will no longer need to ensure compliance by UK-based companies with the EU aviation safety legislation.

The CAA can continue to comply with EU regulations but will it be recognised as a competent body to certify those regulations? Unlikely - the CAA doesn’t have the staff or the resources.

From the CAA website - what happens in a No Deal scenario:

The UK withdraws completely from the EASA system in March 2019, meaning that the CAA will need to make arrangements to fulfil regulatory functions without having EASA as a technical agent and without having access to EASA and EU-level capabilities.

The UK is no longer included in EU-level Bilateral Aviation Safety Agreements.

There is no mutual recognition agreement between the EU and the UK for aviation licences, approvals and certificates.

^UK-issued EASA licences and approvals are no longer recognised in the EU post-EU exit.
The EU treats UK airlines as Third Country Operators.^

All licences issued by the CAA under EU legislation, and all type approval certificates and third country approvals issued by EASA under EU legislation, will continue to have validity under UK law, if they were effective immediately before exit day.

Am I worrying about nothing?

Certainly seems that way now

Another zombie thread. We avoided No Deal this time because Johnson caved over NI. I wonder what he will cave in about to avoid No Deal on 31 December 2020.

@Tippexy - you do realise that by posting this nonsense on various threads you are just reinforcing the stereotype of brexiters being goady, ill-informed, and not very bright?

If Johnson gets his Australia type deal (aka no deal), there could be a very different story next January.

whyamidoingthis
not quite sure how tippexy's comment means she's not very bright.
it's not hard to see the Op was indeed worrying about nothing when wondering whether to book a flight for March 2019

You do realise that your comment reinforces the stereotype of remainers being intolerant, bigots?

@vikkimoog - if you read my post properly, you would see that I referred to the nonsense tippexy is posting on various threads, not simply this thread. When looked at cumulatively, the threads are obviously goady and display either a lack of understanding of the current situation wrt brexit or a deliberate ignoring of the facts.

If they don't understand the current situation on brexit wrt the subject matter in the posts they have chosen to resurrect, despite the facts having been explained by various posters in response to their goady posts, they are either not particularly bright or they are choosing to ignore the facts in order to be goady.

Hth.

Intolerant bigotry suggests I don't tolerate different views. I have no issue with different views. However, I think someone being deliberately goady should be called out on their behaviour.

No one at the time knew whether booking an expensive flight was a risk. I have just come back from and EU country, but a) the Transition arrangements were in place and b) with cheap flights I could afford to take the hit if for some reason we weren't allowed to fly.

I would now be thinking twice about booking an expensive flight for the end of the year or early next until I see what has been negotiated.

Writing off £100 is annoying, writing off £1000 is no joke and would make a big hole in my budget.