International travel March 2019

[TakeAChanseyOnMe]

DH + 2 in laws + I are planning a trip to east Asia next Spring. We originally thought about April but should we have anything to worry about with the March Brexit deadline? I understand there's an extended deadline to Dec 2019.

3 out of 4 have British passports, one has an Irish passport but dual citizenship of GB. It'd be UK city -> Dubai -> Asia so not involving any mainland Europe countries. Am I worrying about nothing? Otherwise we'll just book the dates when it's cheapest!

This is what we voted for.

We made our bed and now have to lie in it, tough shit if anyone has their flights cancelled and can't get the refund.

SoloD - Quite. I imagine that May thinks we can buy our way into the EASA and that they will accept the jurisdiction of a UK court.

We are one of the leading countries/powers in the world. ..... How can anyone actually think otherwise??

er... no.

Is anyone bookmarking this thread to come back and reflect on how we are no longer a "leading world country/power" but instead are a slightly crap and somewhat insignificant and humiliated country that is pretty hard to take seriously thanks to unnecessary act of self-destruction?

yeh, thats a bit closer to reality

I've checked online about flight rights. The country I'm flying to has an agreement with the UK before we join the EU. So there should be no problem flying there.

interesting.

Have you checked that the airline you are flying with has the infrastructure and resources to fulfill any conditions of such a pre-EU agreement, such as validation of maintenance and safety protocols in the UK, and valid insurance?

because if such infrastructure does exist in the UK, then I'm not sure who is hiding it...

What does yuor airline terms and conditions say will happen in the event of a no deal exit?

because most airlines flying into and out of the UK currently have a section in their terms and conditions stating that in the event of no deal, you will immediately and unconditionally lose all fares paid and have no expectation to travel.

If you have found an airline NOT specifically stating this, please do let everyone know who it is! I'm sure everyone will want to buy their tickets

What would happen to the staff? Heathrow employs thousands of people.

Heathrow has borrowed the money to pay all staff and maintain all buildings through a two month shut down.

After that, I guess they go bankrupt, I don't know

We are one of the leading countries/powers in the world. Of course flights are going to land and we are going to have enough bread. How can anyone actually think otherwise

But it is the will of the people that the UK leaves the EU, and in doing so also rips up the 750 treaties and agreements that cover things such as Open Skies. This is what it means to take back control - except in the interconnected world of the 21st Century, this only works if the countries that you want to interact with agree to accept your terms, otherwise the UK becomes Britannia No Mates.

In the absence of any new agreement, flights stop at midnight on 29th March. Even if there is an agreement for aircraft to fly from London to somewhere like China, it won't be a British registered plane and it won't be piloted by a British pilot, as British certifications cease to be valid on 29th March as the UK will not have a certifying agency in place by March.

As for flights to the USA, the British negotiators walked out of the discussions as what the US was proposing was unacceptable - www.ft.com/content/9461157c-1f97-11e8-9efc-0cd3483b8b80

So one Agreement messed up, with potentially very bad consequences - now how are negotiations on the other 749 going?

The country I'm flying to has an agreement with the UK before we join the EU. So there should be no problem flying there.

Most agreements from the 1970s have expired (they usually had expiry dates). Predating EU membership is guarantee of nothing.

OP: sorry, I wouldn't book anything in the window 29.3-31.5 of 2019.

I think myself that food, medicines and aviation are probably the three key issues which must be sorted out, asap.

I think myself that food, medicines and aviation are probably the three key issues which must be sorted out, asap

Food, medicines, aviation, EU citizens rights in the UK, UK citizens rights in the EU, Irish Border, customs infrastructure, driving licenses, lorry permits, ferry agreements, chemicals and ingredients standards, fuel supplies, insurance certificates, tariffs and quotas, recognition of qualifications, acknowledgement of current responsibilities etc; 750 Agreements with over 70 countries … all are inter-related and all are important and if they are ripped up on 29th March the UK is going to crash (and quite possibly burn).

@Havanananana

I don't know how anyone can state that things will continue as is without treaties. No aviation treaties no planes. Simples.

Anyone disagree?

Food, medicines, aviation, EU citizens rights in the UK, UK citizens rights in the EU, Irish Border, customs infrastructure, driving licenses, lorry permits, ferry agreements, chemicals and ingredients standards, fuel supplies, insurance certificates, tariffs and quotas, recognition of qualifications, acknowledgement of current responsibilities etc; 750 Agreements with over 70 countries

These are all short term emergencies, but I am actually more concerned about the long term.

Whatever happens socially in the UK over the next 50-100 years, the really long term impacts of Brexit are going to be environmental, leaving the european ultragrid, ending scientific cooperation and collaboration, pollution controls, climate monitoring......

glasserator, would you care to explain precisely how we get round the issue of the non-existence of aviation treaties on 29th March?

I imagine a few holiday travel companies are going to have cash flow problems if folk are holding off booking next year's holidays. And people maybe reluctant to go on holiday at all during Easter break next year.

I think Brexiters are booking as normal as to them this is all project fear

Anyone any idea if the airlines will refund you in this event?

@SoloD Do you think they'll all be solvent with no flights and high fixed running costs?

Most airlines have stated in their T&Cs that they won’t provide a refund if the cancellation is due to government actions.

@missmoon

So I guess this means Brexit supporters should book their holidays as they won't be affected by Project Fear?

Are there any Brexit supporters out there that have already booked holidays? Or are about to?

Thanks all, we’ll book for March to be safe as we’re not restricted to school holidays. We plan to fly with Emirates and book accommodation separately.

make sure you come back before March 29 ...

We will, we’ll be going weekend-weekend so likely 9th-22nd March.

Just seen this tweet - Amy truth in it?

“Through the EU (Withdrawal) Act 2018, the UK adopts all European aviation laws at the point of exit. Licences will continue to be approved by the CAA under UK law with new regulations introduced where necessary. caa.co.uk/Our-work/About…”

Any*

The CAA is not the body that certifies aircraft, pilots and maintenance facilities - that is the European Aviation Safety Agency, which the UK is leaving on 29th March.

With regards to adopting EU laws (in aviation and in every other area that is currently covered by the EU) it is not sufficient for the UK to say 'We're adopting the EU laws and playing by EU rules, so you'll let us play, won't you?' The EU and the rest of the world would be within their rights to say, 'Well, no. You've resigned from the club so you cannot use our facilities anymore. In fact, our rules say that our facilities are ONLY for the use of Members, so we're not allowed to let you.'

There is another issue here too. If the UK is going to adopt all of the EU laws, why is the UK leaving the EU? The UK cannot then later make its own laws, as these might not be compatible with EU or other international laws. 'Taking back control' is meaningless if your partners do not accept your new terms.

And the UK needs to enter into treaties to have the regulator recognised, pilot licenses accepted, maintenance standards, etc.

No treaties no insurance no flights.