What would have made Brexit deal successful?

[lljkk]

Am hoping for replies from and discussion among only Brexit supporters. I know what my side think, I'm bored with us lot.

Other than No Deal option which some think is fine and therefore no point in discussing No-Deal further in this thread:

What would have been the features of a successful With-Deal Brexit, and who would have negotiated it? What would they have done differently to make the successful deal? Who should have become PM instead of May?

Hi
It could have been relatively simple. If cool headed people with at least a little legal training had sat down say 10 years ago and read through and 'projected forward' the 'rules' of being a member of the EU, then come up with a realistic plan of what COULD be achieved then it would be possible. Flouncing around and telling lies to the electorate about things that definitely cannot be achieved was always doomed to failure.
IF 'Brexit' really did have to mean coming out of the SM and CU then a really cunning plan to resolve the various border issues should have been negotiated as obviously there will HAVE to be a border around the EU and indeed if the UK wants to play by WTO rules then again a border will be needed. Once the 'backroom' boys and girls had done their stuff and come up with plans that were achievable and THEY were presented to the electorate then A50 could have been instigated and 'live' negotiations started.

Not being a Brexit supporter so not eligible to reply - but sufficient time. E.g. something like ten years, and a long list of areas which needed to be negotiated and planned for, being systematically worked through.

Coupled with re-investment in this country e.g. training up health care staff - doctors, nurses, midwives - there appears to be no shortage of well qualified candidates wishing to go into these professions, but making the training places available and staff to teach them requires a long term plan.

And as 54321 implies, researching the various options, so that a sensible range of questions could have been put to the electorate.

Sounds like a rather emotionless course that could have been followed.
2016 vote was heart over head decision, though.
I would have shrugged if we went for Norway model with plan to take years to negotiate next steps.

I heard some economists saying in November2016 that we needed to negotiate a limitless transition period. It seemed odd idea at the time, but not now.

What we should have done is used our position in the EU to create an outer group of countries who did not want political integration. There are lots of countries who want to join the EU, we could have formed a more informal group with Israel, Turkey Norway and Switzerland and the like linking up with EU outer countries like Sweden Poland and Denmark.

Then as a black forced through reforms which would allow for a formal outer block of countries on terms we and the rest would find acceptable.

As it is, we are behaving like a spoilt child, issuing demands and threats just makes us look weak and foolish.

I think if there was a real plan to look at the areas which have suffered austerity, and a will to tackle it, for the majority, Brexit wouldn't have been voted for. You would still have had the die hard racists of 15% or so, but the majority of people are satisfied with food on the table, decent work, schools for their children, secure housing.

we could have formed a more informal group...

formed while we still had membership or after UK left?

with Israel, Turkey Norway and Switzerland and the like linking up with EU outer countries like Sweden Poland and Denmark.

Why those countries, & what would this informal group do... couldn't be a free trade bloc while UK still member of EU, but if formed after Uk left EU, how could non-members force thru EU reforms? Or do you think UK+SW+PD+DK would have been strong enough to force thru the reforms while members... how would backing of Tkey-NO-SV make a difference?

Do we think those countries would have wanted to join a trading bloc dominated by Britain (biggest economy in that group by far)? Is purpose to rival EU?

What concessions would we have offered within this outer bloc, to get them all to unite under Uk leadership?

but the majority of people are satisfied with food on the table, decent work, schools for their children, secure housing

Exactly, Peregrina. I always said this about Northern Ireland and Palestine. People just want to get on with their lives. Irish politician (Charlie McCreevy) once said all people want is enough for a few pints and a holiday... He was ridiculed but really, he had a good point. People are content with food, housing, schools and enough for a small amount of fun.

The rise of the far right - I think it's for the exact reasons you've listed. If people have nothing to lose, they have nothing to lose, so may as well vote Trump, vote Brexit, or join a neo-Naxi or terrorist organisation.

People think they have nothing to lose, but they are almost certainly the ones who won't have the decent work, the food on the table etc. Trump, Brexit, AFD and others, aren't going to deliver for those at the bottom of the heap. Meanwhile, Trump, Farage, Rees-Mogg and company are going to make sure that they do nicely out of it.

McCreevy's point is much that I heard from an East German once - he'd lived through the turmoil of the Weimar Republic, Nazism, WW2 but the Communist regime had given him the stability of work, housing and sufficient leisure to enjoy life and those had been the best years of his life. Will that be the case for those people living in deprived parts of the country now? Or are they on a path with much worse yet to come?

lljkk

Sorry my post was not very clear. In the initial phase, it would have been a political block similar to how the Visegrad group works. The point would have been to push through changes which would have created the conditions where the UK could have exerted more influence rather than been the petulant child of Europe.

Other countries are not 100% happy with their deal with the EU and thus might have welcomed the opportunity to work with the UK.

If there ever was an oportunity to do this it has been lost and we are left in the negoiating position of utter weakness lead by delusional people.