Westminstenders: Break Up or Make Up?

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The next week or so appears to be yet another crunch point (not that any of these crunch points have actually resolved anything so far).

The EU is set to outline the plan for Ireland. Which everyone thought had already been outlined and agreed already. And it had been admitted was legally binding.

Except apparently we don't want to do that, and we are now crying about how the EU want to break up Britain (nothing to do with England wanting to leave the EU and Scotland and NI wanting to stay in it of course).

Jeremy Corbyn has now apparently decided that the customs union is a good idea. David Davis and Liam Fox have responded by saying that this would stop us making our own trade deals. Yes this has obviously stopped Turkey, and why aren't we doing as much trade with China etc as Germany anyway? A vote in the HoC looms before Easter. Will Tory rebels support.

Will Jeremy Corbyn bow to pressure over the single market too? The customs union alone does not stop the border issue in Ireland. Nor does it stop ridiculous queues at Dover. I'm not sure Corbyn is one for listening though. He's got a whiff of power and democracy and reality is just a hindrance to utopia.

As for the Great Repeal Bill. Word has it, its not going too clever in the HoL. The conservatives had something of a show of strength with an unusual number turning up for the debate. But few on the backbenches were willing to speak in favour of...

It all feels like we are making no progress at all. We are still bleating on about cherry picked deals as if this is a negotiation. Its not.

Ryanair website is reportedly not selling flights between the UK and the EU27 scheduled after 29 March 2019
BUT
is selling flights within the EU27 up until May 2019

Fox could indeed get all those trade deals that he & DD said would be dead easy:
just agree immediately to all the terms & conditions that the other countries want.

I care about the cornish pasty. But then I live in Cornwall. We even have a pasty day. TBF it probably wouldn't affect Cornwall as much. After all we don't have a Greggs in any of the towns near me because we have proper pasty shops instead. But it is the principle of the thing.

The whisky thing will be huge and Nicola Sturgeon will not be happy.

I wasn’t defending IDS by the way, he is utterly loathesome, just identifying that he had misused figures rather than got billions and trillions confused.

Cailleach1 Fri 02-Mar-18 18:42:09
I think they are going to walk. They haven't honestly engaged with the process. If they do and renege on sovereign debt, it will be a trade war. It is amazing on how this coup happened so quickly. They are pirates

I agree with you Cailleach. They have not engaged at all. There has been no good faith. They are just looking for a way to blame the fallout on Ireland or the EU. Or as you say later, on 'traitors'.

Brexit is not compatible with the continuing existence of the GFA.
Brexit is not compatible with associate membership of European agencies.
Brexit is not compatible with passporting - but vulture capitalists will ensure leading Tories don't go hungry.

This thread, as ever, is on the money

Business must speak up, and save Britain from Brexit

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/05/business-brexit-britain-remain-bus-jobs-opinion

But...they aren't are they?

Businesses are just...what?

I've asked dh repeatedly what plans his company are making....none apparently...

Small businesses like mine and those of my clients will be largely unaffected by Brexit - other than the inflation that will come.

Medium sized businesses have thir heads in the sand as far as I can see.

Big businesses are making preparations, but have to be very secret about it because the politicians and the press will accuse them of 'talking Britain down' if they are honest.

Workers do not seem to realise that the job losses and price rises will hit the poor not the rich.

Is Polly Toynbee a MNer? Business must speak up and save Britain from Brexit

Intimations:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3185212-panic-buyers?pg=2

I tried the Ryanair website, but it didn't give me the option to book any dates after March 2019, for anywhere, but maybe that's because I'm in the UK, so it might be just a rumour. But it will become clear within the next few weeks. I can't imagine that if you can book, that the credit card companies would be prepared to cover the risk of the flights not running.

Big businesses are making preparations, but have to be very secret...

And to announce plans too soon could cause the effect like a run on a bank. They perhaps hope that Theresa May will pull back at the last minute, or as we mentioned earlier, not leave the EEC. For most, the EEC would be a good enough option, and meets the letter of Leaving the EU. I can't say it meets the spirit of it, because we don't know what the 17 million Leavers wanted.

*We don't know what the 17 million leavers wanted.
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Everyone wanted different things as we've canvassed extensively on these threads and neighbouring ones.

Some wanted to teach the Cameron gov't a lesson, some to fund the NHS, some to protest at austerity and inequalities, some to get rid of brown faces and some to minimise EU regs (which as we know are mostly on food standards and consumer matters).

Sadly (as of six months ago) there seemed to be a fair amount of consensus building about what those 17 million want now.

The thing is what the public want changes at the speed of a tweet.
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www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/remain-and-leave-voters-are-surprisingly-united-on-backing?utm_term=.dfQERRwMr#.xakN55A6B

That survey was from last summer - things could easily have changed since then.

It's just bizarre. Apart from a peace, cultural and community function the EU is predominantly about trade.

Corporate legal entities should have had casting votes in any referendum on changing EU membership.So why don't we hear a louder corporate voice?

Other matters affecting business say corporation tax, or entrepreneurs' relief or financial regulation would never have been put out to the public to seek their advice in a referendum.

It's like only asking people without children to have the predominant vote on a change to parental leave or education matters. Whilst their view may be a factor to take into account it shouldn't be the dominant view that must be acted on.

The US won't be giving any special dispensations to the UK in any fta. And will want agriculture.

twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/970559359603429377

I read that Ryan Air are putting a 'Brexit clause' into tickets for use post brexit. Pointing out they may be cancelled.

qz.com/1195456/ryanairs-summer-2019-flights-will-include-a-brexit-cancellation-clause/

I work for a global it consultancy. We reported good results for 2017 in january - with significant revenue growth everywhere except the UK where we actually dropped over 9% - obviously the report doesn't blame brexit but read between the lines...
bit.ly/2I3rZdf

According to this, the flights for Summer 2019 will go on sale in September. Does that sound right? The article was written end Jan 2018.

We’ll announce our (2019) summer schedule soon enough… and there’ll be a term and condition that this is subject to the regulatory environment allowing this flight to take place,’ spokesman Kenny Jacobs told reporters, adding that the tickets would go on sale in September. Customers will be refunded if the flights are cancelled.

metro.co.uk/2018/01/31/ryanair-will-add-brexit-clause-tickets-meaning-flights-cancelled-7277423/

Yes Peregrina I agree. What the public wants changes at the speed of a tweet.So I guess we need an election. The May locals will certainly be interesting.

Every day is Groundhog Day in the Lonelyplanet household.DH and I will never get over the sheer absurdity of this, every day we teach the same levels of incredulity.

DH's current theory is if we'd given Leavers the blue passports plus imposed 1970's black and white TV on them, then business could have got on with it and remained a leading member of the most powerful trading bloc.

It was sooo utterly absurd to gamble our economy on a referendum especially with a question that was completely and utterly undefined.

Whilst we understood in so far as you can what retaining current EU membership meant, the Leave option had no definition whatsoever. It was literally voting for a pig in a poke. ( And we still don't know what kind of s pig or poke it is.)

*reach not teach.

Although I'm afraid to say youngest DD has been taught or completely brainwashed, just by listening to us.

Bit more from reuters.

uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-ryanair/ryanair-to-put-brexit-clause-into-ticket-sales-for-summer-2019-idUKKBN1FK1ZC

And the Conservative party supposedly the party of business, lonely.

Surely the UK figures will explode 100 billion, billion, trillion, trillion, squillion post Brexit, ncouting. It is because the UK is uniquely being held back by being a member of the EU. It is a secret design by France and Germany to fool people into thinking it has 28 member states to which the rules apply.

I meant to add 28 countries to which the Benefits apply. The UK knows nobody except the UK follow the rules. And everybody except the UK reaps the benefits.

Surely the UK figures will explode 100 billion, billion, trillion, trillion, squillion post Brexit, ncouting. It is because the UK is uniquely being held back by being a member of the EU.

This absurd notion is what it all boils down to.

We were the fifth strongest economy in the world.

Do TM, DD, BoJo, SMogg or any other politician or voter seriously believe we will ascend to 1st, 2nd,3rd or 4 th position as a result of this? Nuts.

Anyone who thinks that is delusional, deluded, deceived, bonkers, illogical, and/ or barking.