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Westministenders: Groundhog Day

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RedToothBrush · 14/02/2018 16:20

Groundhog day is 2nd Feb.

Its also today. And yesterday. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before. And the day before.

We have all turned into Bill Murray.

That's Brexit in the UK.

The only progress seems to be linguistic gymnastics not policy.

No action has been implemented, we are still on words going nowhere.

Tick tock, tick tock.

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RedToothBrush · 16/02/2018 00:12

Britain Elects @ Britainelects
Worstead (North Norfolk) result:

LDEM: 72.7% (+39.4)
CON: 16.9% (-25.0)
LAB: 10.4% (-1.8)

Liberal Democrat GAIN from Conservative.

Chudleigh (Teignbridge) result:

LDEM: 41.0% (+31.1)
CON: 40.3% (+14.6)
LAB: 18.7% (+7.0)

No Ind(s) as prev.

LD gains from Con

Carterton South (West Oxfordshire) result:

CON: 62.9% (+1.4)
LDEM: 23.7% (+17.7)
LAB: 13.5% (+2.0)

Morecambe North (Lancashire) result:

CON: 49.0% (-14.2) HOLD.
LDEM: 29.7% (+21.6)
LAB: 21.3% (-0.7)

Ruxley (Epsom & Ewell) result:

RES: 37.2% (-7.4) HOLD.
CON: 31.8% (-0.6)
LAB: 24.7% (+10.5)
LDEM: 6.3% (-2.5)

St Pauls (Tendring) result:

CON: 39.5% (+6.7)
IND: 16.7% (+16.7)
IND: 14.0% (+14.0)
LAB: 11.9% (+11.9)
LDEM: 8.3% (+8.3)
UKIP: 7.4% (-29.6)
GRN: 2.1% (+2.1)

No Tendring First (-30.1) as prev.
Conservative GAIN from UKIP.

Halton Castle (Halton) result:

LAB: 70.3% (+0.2)
IND: 17.9% (+17.9)
CON: 11.8% (+11.8)

No UKIP (-17.2) and Ind (-7.8) as prev.

Dawlish Central & North East (Teignbridge) result:

LDEM: 70.6% (+52.4)
CON: 29.4% (+5.6)

Liberal Democrat GAIN from Conservative.

The May round of local elections is gonna be interesting.

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lonelyplanetmum · 16/02/2018 05:42

Most of those Britain elects results are unprecedented. The country is learning.

Apologies if posted before (as I'm behind with the new thread) but this article explains very well why high tariffs would still apply even if the elusive time consuming replica trade deals are secured.

www.politico.eu/article/localization-barrier-risks-to-spoil-britains-free-trade-hopes/

TheElementsSong · 16/02/2018 06:57

Do those elderly Brexiters want to punish the young for being mostly Remain, maybe to beat patriotism into them?

It does rather gives that impression, doesn’t it?

mrsreynolds · 16/02/2018 07:47

Those results are interesting!
Bit how can the Tories have still won 2 seats!!?
Do morecombe and st Paul's havw a very elderly demographic??

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 16/02/2018 07:53

math when I saw that article on twitter, the text cut off at

"Breaking: Boris Johnson rushed to hospital with suspected hea..."

which further elevated the dedication to trolling!

Married3Children · 16/02/2018 08:19

Wow the Lib Dem have gon sup a hell of a lot!!

woman11017 · 16/02/2018 08:33

Just listened to Today for the first time in months.
Strangely nuanced reporting of the dangers to britain's security, defence and EAW being flagged up pre Munich Security conference. Commitment to NATO was emphasised and dismissal of European army.
What is happening? Confused

And this:

^Business leader warns May against harsh immigration policy
Skills gap and policy delay may ruin firms, says British Chambers of Commerce chief^

In his article for the Guardian, Marshall stressed the tight timeline for preparing for Brexit. Focusing on immigration and skills gaps, the BCC director general said: “If ministers wish to avoid the sight of unfinished urban buildings, fruit rotting on Herefordshire trees, care homes and hotels shutting their doors from Bournemouth to Inverness, or manufacturers investing in their overseas operations instead of here at home, the time to act is now

He said the looming crisis had been driven by record employment of British workers, and falls in immigration since 2016’s referendum vote, and was particularly visible in business parks, industrial estates, construction projects and farms

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/16/business-leader-warns-may-against-harsh-immigration-policy

And I read that the audience groaned at end of QT when NF announced as guest next week.

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 16/02/2018 08:47

With local elections its probably worth remembering that EU citizens can vote probably for the last time. This is where Labour's lack of stance could hurt them.

BigChocFrenzy · 16/02/2018 08:53

That demographic who have benefitted from huge property windfalls probably consider the economy, business and good jobs to be an irrelevance,
that they at least are insulated, like the genuinely wealthy

Hence their lack of interest in the economic consequences of Brexit

It would take a massive house price crash to make them pay attention
( and then they would just blame the EU and Remainers, rather than accept they screwed the pooch when they voted Brexit)

BigChocFrenzy · 16/02/2018 09:23

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/feb/16/homeownership-among-young-adults-collapsed-institute-fiscal-studies

For 25- to 34-year-olds earning between £22,200 and £30,600 per year, home ownership fell to just 27% in 2016 from 65% two decades ago.

AgnesSkinner · 16/02/2018 09:54

I liked this reply to the Aileen Hammond letter on sending out students to pick crops:

“My generation caused this mess by voting to leave the EU. My proposed solution is the forced labour of those who voted overwhelmingly to remain. This seems equitable to me because I’m a complete and unrelenting bastard.”

I googled Ms Hammond - she is 78.

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AgnesSkinner · 16/02/2018 10:13

I’m surprised no one has yet suggested sending out chain gangs from local prisons to pick crops.

Which is also a good excuse to post a picture of my favourite road sign ever.

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RedToothBrush · 16/02/2018 10:23

How odd. All the new build properties over £400,000 seem to be struggling to sell locally. Houses that twenty years ago would have been an option to 25 - 34 year olds on a good household income. In fact all properties over £400,000 seem to be on rightmove for an age.

Meanwhile any thing under £275k and prime second time buyer family homes are selling within the week presently.

Who the hell is going to be able to buy a large family home over £400,000 in the north? Wages are weaker. Even if you bought ten years ago, your equity is likely to only be what you've paid into your mortgage (our property has gone up by £15 - 20k at most).

The market in that price bracket for families can only be older than 45, coming into an inheritance or moving up from London having benefited from house price growth.

Even if you have a household income of £60,000 you would struggle to get the required mortgage if like us, you only bought for the first time ten years ago. A typical x3.5 multipler brings you in at £210,000 mortgage. That leaves £190,000 to find in equity. And are you really likely to have anywhere near that if you bought less than ten years ago for the first time?!

I have been banging on about this to local political reps, who have cloth ears and keep blocking every development in the price band thats selling like hot cakes, whilst waving though million pound houses and vast estates above £400k.

Oh and then they moan that too much of the green belt is being built on in order to reach the number of houses they have been told to buy.

Unfortunately until old people start dropping like flies there going to be a property bubble here. The bigger houses wont come down in value, because most selling are for downsizing to help the kids buy, so they will wait, as they cant afford to downsize unless they get enough money. And new builds are likely to stay empty for a long long time.

I'm almost gleeful about the prospect of empty houses given the patronising shit, ive endured over it.

I'm delighted at that report as its the exact argument ive been making anecdotally. I fully intend to bang on about it to the point of being painful at a local community planning discussion this weekend. Everyone else is at least fifteen years older than us. THEY DO NOT GET IT.

The irony is that we aren't in too bad a financial position compared to our peers and those five or so years younger.

My parents still have a good fifteen years or more to go until they hit expected life expectancy. My grandmother is still alive at 92 having burnt through all her equity.

The property crash of 2008, is going to ripple through the system for another twenty years. If we are lucky. It'll probably be longer.

Fantastic report, which states the bleedingly blind obvious to anyone who is trying to buy a small family home or a first time buyer home.

And dont get me started on the ridiculously priced flats spring up all over central manchester.

Ten years from now, Manchester and the surrounding area, will have the exact same problem as London. No one has a plan to prevent it. Not even Labour.

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DGRossetti · 16/02/2018 10:44

There is a certain painful irony in the fact that ultimately conservative policies poison the well for future conservative voters. Like a bubble working it's way out of a pipe, it's not hard to imagine the entire 20-45+ generation being anti-tory enough to keep them out of power for ... oh 18 years ?

There was a reason why Labour were out of power for 18 years too.

DGRossetti · 16/02/2018 10:46

Universal Basic Income: Under-55s should ALL be given £10,000, RSA says

How come when I suggested it 8 years ago*, it was "stupid", but now it's a "thing" ?

*I said if you wanted to pump money into the economy and had £500 billion to spend, why not give everyone £1,000 and let them get on with it.

Onlynever · 16/02/2018 11:08

As has been said, it's a bit steep requiring students to pay over £9K a year AND spend their holidays picking fruit (though some may choose to do so to make end meet.). So I expect the government will make it a requirement for children and those in receipt of benefits. After all, if the UK is to compete post Brexit, Boris etc are making it clear that it needs to deregulate. I don't see the prohibition on child labour surviving long.

DGRossetti · 16/02/2018 11:26

Ironic that the Tories seem to have far more Eastern-bloc policies than labour.

Fruit picking students sounds so 1970s East Germany ....

Cailleach1 · 16/02/2018 11:51

University education in the UK seems to be very expensive now. Certainly if you are adding accommodation and living costs. The continental universities doing courses through english may be the way forward. And your child gets to pick up another language. Eurostar may bring them home faster than some places in the UK.

Unless Brexit puts 3rd country fees through the roof for British citizens. I have a niece at Maastricht doing her course through English.

EmilyAlice · 16/02/2018 11:53

Also interesting that apparently the question on the YouGov poll referred to “National Service for one month ”....
I still think it is a bad idea but does it deserve quite such an outcry?
Macron has been suggesting something similar.

Dobby1sAFreeElf · 16/02/2018 12:10

complete and unrelenting bastard 😂

GlassOfPort · 16/02/2018 14:01

The Labour Party receives 16000 emails in five days urging it to consult on Brexit

I have just sent email 16,001 Smile

Just re-posting the link
www.open-britain.co.uk/tell_the_labour_party_what_you_think_on_brexit?utm_campaign=obemail_79_1&utm_medium=email&utm_source=in

twofingerstoEverything · 16/02/2018 14:32

Thanks for the link, Port. I've just emailed.

woman11017 · 16/02/2018 14:56

Me too, thank you Port