EU is horrible. Discuss

[OliviaD68]

3 questions

1. In what way does the EU adversely affect your life at the moment?

1. Which EU laws are you most looking forward to not having to follow post-Brexit?

1. Can you name any tangible difference that Brexit is likely make that the average person will see as a benefit?

Are you 12?

1- can't think of any
2- none - I think the regulations regarding protection of the environment and workers rights will go downhill, which worries me a lot
3- most people (especially those of low income) will be more poor. The very rich will probably get richer.

Not sure that answers your questions though.

More a 6th formers essay Newts.

@NewtsSuitcase and @ThroughThickAndThin01

Basic questions so hard to respond to. I struggled.

@ThroughThickAndThin01 and @NewtsSuitcase

I see thinking and rationalisation are not your forte ...

Perhaps you owe it to yourselves to give these a try and enlighten the MN population.

Or, you know, some of us think wider than individual impact.

1. In what way did the EU adversely impact on the UK pre Brexit?

1. Which EU directives do you feel should not have been passed into UK laws?

1. Can you name any tangible difference that Brexit is likely make that the average person will see as a benefit?

Fixed it for you

@Noeuf

I like the changes. Much better.

But some people may find it easier to think about what it means for them. Either way I’m happy to read posts.

Ta. I think it’s interesting but very easily approached in a way that can be interpreted as offensive (all leavers are thick). Who knows?

We can’t really take two routes at the same time, so whoever lost would always be able to say ‘my choice would have been better’ in a decade.

@Noeuf.

True. Only thing we can do now is imagine what it would take to under one model vs another. It is the way businesses and peopleshould make decisions: model the alternatives and then decide what makes sense. Brexit seems to have been the opposite process.

SM/CU vs DCFTA vs WTO for goods -fairly easy to identify the problems and which industries affected
What of services?
What about nuclear - fuel and meds
What about meds?
What about immigration? Who picks the food?
Impact on our laws - employment, consumer protection, investor protection, intellectual property, data protection
Security coordination
Aviation - anyone seen a mention of OpenSkies renegotiation with the US and EU yet?

Personally, I don't see a single reason for Brexit and am in search of one. We can't trade (cf Germany), loss of sovereignty (myth: I looked up the process for laws) seem like empty reasons ...

'What about immigration? Who picks the food?'

why TF is it that every time some people talk about immigration they have to talk about fruit picking????? What kind of bleeming prejudice is that?

Immigrants are: bank workers, financial sector workers, doctors, nurses, teachers, nursery workers, lecturers, computer specialists, dentists, consultants, writers. We are not all fruit pickers FGS!

@Twofishfingers

You're right. I wrote that being an immigrant worker myself. Meant as a shorthand and live example of what happens when immigration stops - food rots in field. But there are plenty of other examples you are right.

mea culpa.

*@ThroughThickAndThin01 and @NewtsSuitcase *

I see thinking and rationalisation are not your forte ...

I'm thinking you might have had a more positive response had you not called your thread "EU is horrible"

@NewtsSuitcase

It's a way to attract attention. I've read many posts and heard Brexit supporters say the EU is horrible but I can't get a solid answer why.

• One said he didn't like to have to pay VAT for goods sales into Germany to a German buyer from the UK. More of a German tax law issue

• One said she doesn't like EU corruption in the £ billions without corroborating evidence

• One said she didn't like the fact MEPs get £250 per diems when in Brussels

• Another said we have lost our sovereignty without explaining what that meant. So I checked the process and I don't believe we have. Parliament passes ALL laws in this country (ignoring NI and Scotland)

• One said 'free trade'! We can finally conclude deals. But then leaving the EU means a reduction of free trade because we raise barriers -everywhere. In the EU by moving away from SM/CU and with 60 other nations with whom we have a variety of trade deals ranging from FTAs to MRAs

And Germany doesn't seem to be impeded

• Another said she didn't like people from Pakistan and Afghanistan in the UK .... Aside from the racism inherent in that statement, I reminded her they were not from the EU but that didn't seem to matter

So this was a provocative title meant to provoke debate.

WHERE ARE THE ADVANTAGES PLEASE!

Can you name any tangible difference that Brexit is likely make that the average person will see as a benefit

Good news for domestic violence perpetrators?

@fawcettsociety
Some domestic violence charities get 40% of their income from EU funding.

I believe, but could stand to be corrected, that all 'Laws' emanating from the EU (Brussels) were debated, ratified and enforced by UK politicians. Opt outs were generally possible, or at least 'easements' in various forms such as delays in implementation.
Many of the claims made by 'Leave' politicians had very little root in the EU. Essentially both 'sides' lied,,,, a lot.

@outabout

Not entirely correct but basically that is right.

We get EU Directives that need to be transcribed into UK law (English Law). But ALL of them are pre-agreed and negotiated. We can opt out such as with Schengen. And we have veto rights. So it's never the case that we take EU laws into UK without having agreed them beforehand.

One example: TUPE (Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations 2006). here

The Transfer of Undertakings (Protection of Employment) Regulations 2006 (SI 2006/246) known colloquially as TUPE and pronounced tu-pee,[1] are the United Kingdom's implementation of the European Union Business Transfers Directive.

It is an important part of UK labour law, protecting employees whose business is being transferred to another business. The 2006 regulations replace the old 1981 regulations (SI 1981/1794) which implemented the original Directive.[3]

@woman11017

Cynic?

Unfortunately you may be right. Labour tried to implement such protections into the EU Withdrawal Bill and was voted down.

Still looking for that elusive advantage...

@Olivia
Thank you. My assertion was attempting to highlight the hogwash that has been spouted by too many politicians.
The EU DOES need reform and most member countries will admit that but running away from it was/is not a plan.
What the UK needs(needed) was GOOD negotiators whether in the EU or out, I wait to be convinced we have those of sufficient calibre to really do the UK proud. Sadly the 'soundbite' and tabloid headline brigade are masking the real work.

1. In what way does the EU adversely affect your life at the moment?

It doesn't and never has.

2. Which EU laws are you most looking forward to not having to follow post-Brexit?

Bendy bananas. Or was it straight, I forget.

Can you name any tangible difference that Brexit is likely make that the average person will see as a benefit?

If you're a creative thinker you can imagine having your country back.

@outabout

Thanks. Agree. Sadly.

Just learned about what needs to be done just on aviation. I was looking narrowly at OpenSkies. And that's only a small part.

Bendy / straight bananas. Blue passports. Sovereignty that we haven't lost.

Great.

Since the majority of the UK hail from either Europe or other areas (continents) over the centuries exactly WHOSE country are 'we' going to get back? Angles, Saxons, Vikings and many others have invaded and enriched the UK. Our Royal family,,,Foreign. One theory has it that a small minority of Welsh are nearest to being the 'oldest originals' from the UK island race, the rest have just muscled in over time.
The irony over Adolf Hitler's attempt at an Aryan race is that he would have been excluded.

Although this is diverting off topic, I don't wish to upset the Scots or Irish, where do they fit in the time/race line?

I concur with Frank's Ghost above.