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Westminstenders: Boom. The Brexit Backlash starts to hit.

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RedToothBrush · 27/08/2017 00:49

So it turns out that immigration figures that stated students overstayed were wrong. The home office knew this. And sat on it. Since 2015. Under Theresa.

That smells a bit doesn't it?

Imagine it: "Let's do lunch Paul. I'll cover up and give you a nice immigration story for your front page. In return, crown me PM."

Then tonight BOOM. Labour look like they have made a move. Soft very swishy Brexit. Even less brexity than the Beano Brexit that the Tories have been trying to announce on the quiet over the summer whilst Brexiteers are on holiday.

amp.theguardian.com/global/2017/aug/26/labour-calls-for-lengthy-transitional-period-post-brexit
Labour makes dramatic shift on Brexit and single market
Party opens clear divide with Tories, with support for free movement and paying into EU budgets for up to four years

Labour is to announce a dramatic policy shift by backing continued membership of the EU single market beyond March 2019, when Britain leaves the EU, establishing a clear dividing line with the Tories on Brexit for the first time.

In a move that positions it decisively as the party of “soft Brexit”, Labour will support full participation in the single market and customs union during a lengthy “transitional period” that it believes could last between two and four years after the day of departure, it is to announce on Sunday.

This will mean that under a Labour government the UK would continue to abide by the EU’s free movement rules, accept the jurisdiction of the European court of justice on trade and economic issues, and pay into the EU budget for a period of years after Brexit, in the hope of lessening the shock of leaving to the UK economy. In a further move that will delight many pro-EU Labour backers, Jeremy Corbyn’s party will also leave open the option of the UK remaining a member of the customs union and single market for good, beyond the end of the transitional period.

Why would Labour suddenly do this? It's not just because of the youth vote. What about their leave voters?

Faisal Islam on the subject:
2. On Labour Leavers is very very interesting and involves quite the psephological judgement re the election....
...the calculation appears to be that Labour Leave voters had the chance to vote for Theresa May's brand of Brexit, and bar 5 seats, said No
Was that because Lableave voters were already signalled "hard Brexit"? Or many millions such voters much more concerned about other things?

Have Labour been polling their voters on this?

Theresa has also apparently set her sell by date: Friday 30th August 2019.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-sets-date-shell-quit-11061894.amp
Theresa May sets date she'll quit as Prime Minister - giving herself time to see Britain through Brexit

The longer the transition and the squishier it gets, the more the more you wonder.

Mr Barnier will enjoy his coffee and newspapers tomorrow as he prepares for round two of Brexit talks starting next week.

The question on his mind most: Will David Davis remember to bring his notes this time?

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HashiAsLarry · 29/08/2017 18:29

Hangover wore off then. No new crib sheet it seems.

Well at least I'll get some entertainment now. DD was admitted and we'll be here for a few nights Sad

Thankful we still have the NHS but again it's too easy to see where austerity hit. And where brexit will hit harder.

HashiAsLarry · 29/08/2017 18:29

Hangover wore off then. No new crib sheet it seems.

Well at least I'll get some entertainment now. DD was admitted and we'll be here for a few nights Sad

Thankful we still have the NHS but again it's too easy to see where austerity hit. And where brexit will hit harder.

woman12345 · 29/08/2017 18:31

Yeah whatwouldrondo there were some pretty interesting diseases in China when I was there in the early 1990s. Grin Chinese healthcare's interesting too. I had to take my sister to Beijing hospital and was surprised to see an acupuncture department as part of the mainstream provision.

prettybird · 29/08/2017 18:33

I was at Uni during Thatcher's Miners' Strike and going out with a guy who came from Mansfield, in the middle of what was then a mining community. It was quite scary visiting his family during the holidays. People thought at the time that Scargill was exaggerating. I can remember having many vigorous debates about the rights and wrongs at Uni (St Andrews, so not all trendy lefties Wink). I don't think that even he realised the extent of Thatcher's plans for both coal mining in particular and the unions in general Sad

And yes, woman - it did wonders for the Brexit vote Sad

mathanxiety · 29/08/2017 18:36

One of my grannies spent a couple of years in a Bavarian convent as part of a weird and wonderful fin de siecle education, and came away with deep misgivings about German nuns thanks to their practice of emptying the chamber pots straight onto the cabbage beds, among other things.

HashiAsLarry · 29/08/2017 18:40

My grandfather used to use human waste as fertilizer. I never did like vegetables as a child Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 29/08/2017 18:43

More about Bojo's gross unfitness for office

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/our-foreign-secretary-is-an-international-joke-7707q0z66

Last month he infuriated the French by revealing Emmanuel Macron’s plans for Libyan peace talks,
having been briefed about the initiative on condition that he told no one about it.

Senior Conservatives blame “vanity” for his inability to remain on message or keep a secret.

“The French think Boris is totally unreliable, the Germans think he’s a liar and the Italians think he’s dangerous,”
says one well-travelled Tory MP.

“He is undermining our ability to negotiate internationally and degrading our position abroad.
The foreign secretary is supposed to enhance Britain’s reputation but all over the world Boris is making matters worse.”

The civil servants in the Foreign Office are horrified by their boss’s lack of discipline and have taken to slipping in to see his deputy Sir Alan Duncan, the Europe minister, when they need a decision.

At the intelligence agencies, there is a nervousness about giving sensitive material to a politician
who treats every public outing like an after-dinner speech.

“It’s all about managing Boris, not respecting him,”
says one Whitehall source.

“He’s got no concentration span so it’s difficult to have a detailed discussion with him.
The whole thing is completely ramshackle for someone who is supposed to be so clever.
He doesn’t know what he thinks so he flies by the seat of his pants.”

Mr Johnson has, however, done a far better job of undermining his own reputation than Downing Street ever could.
Having been given one of the best positions in the cabinet, he has shrivelled under the spotlight.
Jacob Rees-Mogg has overtaken him as the grass roots’ favourite Bertie Wooster caricature

RedToothBrush · 29/08/2017 18:47

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/aug/29/joiner-shane-ridge-born-and-raised-in-britain-told-to-leave-home-office?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Man born and raised in UK told he is not a British citizen
Home Office tells Shane Ridge he must leave country because English father never married Australia-born mother

The Home Office Strikes Again.

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BigChocFrenzy · 29/08/2017 18:48

Embarrassing performance all round from May's 3 Dunces

Juncker grades UK’s Brexit papers an F

www.politico.eu/article/brexit-negotiation-europe-juncker-grades-uks-papers-an-f/

"None of those is actually satisfactory, so there is still an enormous amount of issues which remain to be settled.”

Juncker said Brussels would not deviate from the position agreed by the 27 remaining EU countries.

“We need to be crystal clear that we’ll start no negotiations on the new relationship,
particularly the new economic and trade relationship, between the U.K and the EU,
before all these questions are resolved,”

RandomlyGenerated · 29/08/2017 18:49

For anyone that has forgotten what Bojo flying by the seat of his pants looks like, here's a reminder.

Westminstenders: Boom. The Brexit Backlash starts to hit.
BigChocFrenzy · 29/08/2017 18:54

The Home Office seems to have gone batshit in itsspite towards foreigners.

Are these expulsions actually legal - under UN / international law, I mean ?

The Uk has already been taken to court by the EU for demanding that current E27 residents have private health care.
They should be entitled to NHS care after 6 months legal residence, just as UK expats are entitled to join the national healthcare service where they live.
So, the HO has a record of overstepping the law.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/08/2017 18:58

Home Office accidentally deports all Brexiters

www.thedailymash.co.uk/politics/politics-headlines/home-office-accidentally-deports-all-brexiters-20170824134639

AN administrative error means everyone who voted to leave the EU will be deported in a matter of weeks, it has emerged.
The Home Office mistake will result in all Leave voters being relocated to destinations as varied as Islamabad and Brussels.

A government spokesman said:
“We can’t reverse the decision because all our staff are busy with half-baked Brexit plans from David Davis,
which are usually just something scribbled on a Post-it.

“Leavers will just have to show some Blitz spirit and get used to life in Finland or wherever.
They’ll be given help to relocate, such as a suitcase full of baked beans and cornflakes.”

HashiAsLarry · 29/08/2017 19:02

The Home Office seems to have gone batshit in itsspite towards foreigners.

A question often asked here. If something as random and uncontrollable as an accident of birth can mark you as the enemy, how can you ever prevent yourself becoming it?

TheElementsSong · 29/08/2017 19:13

The Home Office seems to have gone batshit in its spite towards foreigners.

Presumably to the great delight of posters like our esteemed visitor (if they're even a real person).

TheElementsSong · 29/08/2017 19:15

Meanwhile, should we be worried about a food crisis post-Brexit?

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/aug/29/hello-spam-and-tinned-peaches-is-britain-facing-a-brexit-food-crisis

According to this article, even in August we only grow 15% of the fruit and 55% of the vegetables we need.

BigChocFrenzy · 29/08/2017 19:16

RoI Foreign Affairs Minister Simon Coveney addressed the Northern Ireland Chamber of Commerce this morning about Brexit

https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/08/29/coveney-continued-membership-of-this-customs-union-and-single-marketor-something-very-like-it-is-the-answer/

"Simply put, EU Member States will not countenance a partnership which allows the UK to benefit from full EU access while cutting separate deals with countries that don’t share our standards or systems.

And that has obvious implications on this island.

For example, how can the UK expect to maintain an open border, an objective we all share,
while asking Ireland and other EU Member States to accept that
beef that doesn’t meet European standards can be easily brought into Ireland from Northern Ireland without the necessary controls?

This simply doesn’t tally with the UK’s other stated objective of not wishing to undermine the integrity of the Single Market and Customs Union
and doing nothing that damages Ireland and our political, social and economic interests.

Continued membership of this Customs Union and Single Market – or something very like it – is the answer.
And you have to tell your elected representatives that that is the case.

We were distraught at the UK vote to leave the EU, we don’t deny that.
But we have accepted it.
What we won’t accept is that people voted explicitly to leave a Customs Union or Single Market.
They didn’t, and history shouldn’t be re-written to pretend that they did.

Do not underestimate your influence here.
You have real influence over the politicians that serve this community.

And with the current arithmetic in Westminster,
and the stance now taken by the leading opposition party in the Commons,
your politicians have a remarkable opportunity to influence the final approach the UK government takes."

woman12345 · 29/08/2017 19:20

Awful story red; he's a kid (21).Sad
What is that deliberate HO practice of making things uncomfortable for those whose citizenship is threatened called?

woman12345 · 29/08/2017 19:21

Elements I'm thinking there will come a time soon, when those empty shelves become a reality.

whatwouldrondo · 29/08/2017 19:27

Urine is in fact sterile so no problems tipping that on your veg.... Bob Flowerdew swears by it on GQT, and I must say my compost was particularly good when I used to empty my toddlers potties on it. I just can't quite cope with recycling my own and I certainly couldn't squat on top doing a mooney for the neighbours. Maybe if there are food shortages modesty will cease to be the priority Hmm

woman12345 · 29/08/2017 19:29

emptying the chamber pots
Well, a version of that just worked very successfully in San Francisco, I understand.Grin

Hashi all the best to your DD.

Notice in that food article, the supermarkets won't comment.

Silence, enforced and otherwise, is deafening.

OlennasWimple · 29/08/2017 19:37

woman12345 - "hostile environment"?

woman12345 · 29/08/2017 19:43

That's it, thanks. OlennasWimple

Bit like what the Nazis did. Well, a lot like what the Nazis did: started with students, college places, making it difficult to run businesses(like the driving licence thing) and having the rabid press to raise racist consciousness.

Not very original May, is she.

whatwouldrondo · 29/08/2017 19:47

Woman Ta daa! The night soil man from a book on the life on a street in a Sichuan town.

Westminstenders: Boom. The Brexit Backlash starts to hit.
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woman12345 · 29/08/2017 19:51

Hen hau whatwouldrondo shay shay. ( no way can I do mandarin script) brilliant! Smile