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Westministenders: Oh No Not Another One. Thread that is.

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RedToothBrush · 22/04/2017 12:19

In this edition of Westministers we play a game of ‘Where are they now?’

In June 2016 our screens were subjected to the sight of a number of particularly vocal MPs who participated in debates and stood on soap boxes to talk about the referendum.

The most noticeable of these for Leave were perhaps Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Andrea Leadsom, Gisela Stuart, Nigel Farage, Priti Patel and Kate Hoey. For Remain it was David Cameron, George Osborne, Jeremy Corbyn, Ruth Davidson, Sadiq Khan, Nicola Sturgeon, Nick Clegg and Tim Farron.

It is starting to seem that anyone involved in campaigning either for or against Brexit in June 2016 has faced an epic battle for survival. Just how long can they last before being defeated or conceding defeat.

David Cameron’s scalp was the first to go, as he swanned off leaving everyone to clear up his mess.

Boris Johnson, who was keen to stamp his mark and pitch for the leadership by stitching up Cameron, got stitched up by Michael Gove who also lost his own bid for leadership as a result.

Johnson, of course, still lives to fight another day by getting a nice job as Theresa’s whipping boy. He’s occasionally let out by himself, but its Michael Fallon who does the ‘Grown Up Business’. He was said to be one of the last to support an early election. I can’t think why that might be.

Poor old Gove is now confined to a straight-jacket, the back benches where he’s been told to think about what he’s done like a naughty school child and a column in the Times

Andrea Leadsom was sent to a field of cows never to be seen again except to pop up for the odd cameo line shouting about ‘Jam’.

Queen Theresa also dealt with the other Conservative Leader Leave Candidate Mr Liam Fox, by shipping him off to every dodgy corner of the global to get pampered by state hostility.

Stephen Crabb simply crawled back under his rock.

The announcement of the General Election seems to be like the major soap incident episode where half the cast get killed off by a totally unrealistic disaster because their acting contracts weren’t being renewed.

The quitters and abdicators who now have legged it at the sight of a General Election are Gisela ‘Champion of the Brexit Bus’ Stuart and Nigel ‘Too chicken to be defeated for an eighth time and risk losing my nice EU pension’ Farage. George Osborne took the advice of his school teachers and had another career to fall back on when he didn’t become successful in his first choice.

Its rather starting to look like the curse of being a leading Brexiteer is to be made to disappear off the face of the earth or fuck off when the going gets tough. Have you seen Priti Patel lately? Does she even still exist? And Chris Grayling? He was convinced he was going to get chancellor when he supported May in her bid for the leadership.
Instead he got packed off transport and disappeared off the face of the earth much to the annoyance of everyone caught up in the rail strikes.

The only one who is remotely visible seems to be David Davis and is like May’s pet poodle who just tries to please his owner.

It’s almost like the only one still standing or hasn’t been banished is Kate Hoey. And the Lib Dems are trying to work on that one and make her sink beneath the waves, on board her Alan Partridge Titanic once and for all.

Conversely the visible Remainers seem to be – on the face of it - fairing rather better at the moment.

Sadiq Khan is hugely popular and actually does his job rather than fannying about on zip wires. Ruth Davidson is also well respected and apparently has saved Priti Patel’s job from abolition. If the rumours are to be believed bored with scrapping with Nicola, she might be lining herself up for ‘Big Things’ in Westminister. Cameron’s one time love interest, Nick Clegg hasn’t shaken the tarnish of the coalition but he is enjoying a new reputation as the Brexit Soothsayer and some people actually know who Tim Farron is now, which is progress. Nicola Sturgeon is of course riding high and seems to be a permanent thorn in Theresa’s side.

Jeremy ‘I’m a Remainer, honest comrades’ Corbyn is the one who seems to be something of a walking disaster area yet is also thriving with it like a zombie who just keeps going regardless of what you throw at him.

And then of course there is Queen Theresa. The Remainer. Who has crushed everyone in her party. Not just the saboteurs. Even her supposed ally Hammond and BBF Rudd have been thrown under the bus at her wimb when its suited May personally.

The General Election now sets a new scene and opportunity for new characters to emerge. Now the rats have left the ship or been put in their place.

Will May set course to the left or to the right or simply plow on like a bull in a china shop?

Anyway I’m now looking forward to the shocking soap opera moment where your favourite hero or villain gets killed off in a twist you didn’t see coming. Role on June 8th. If only to get pass the upcoming horror of the next six weeks.

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RedToothBrush · 28/04/2017 09:01

I see David Mackintosh of Northampton South has decided not to fight his deselection for dubious dealings over a loan with the football club. The local party clearly sending a message when they decided to hold the selection process at the above football club...

Edward Garnier (Con) Harborough has stood down. Very safe seat.

The deadline for Labour MPs to stand down has passed.

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Motheroffourdragons · 28/04/2017 09:05

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Figmentofmyimagination · 28/04/2017 09:13

I just don't get how a party responsible for the most disruptive constitutional crisis in at least 70 years can be allowed to wear the mantel 'stable'.

'Strong'? Sure, but then lots of catastrophic 20th C leaders have been able to make this boast.

RedToothBrush · 28/04/2017 09:17

Election Data @Election_Data
I think Nuttall's going to get tatered in Boston & Skegness, though it's hard to find a seat where he/UKIP wouldn't get tatered #taters

Ha! Going to stand in Boston? Because the Con MP was Remain. Well that's something to look forward to on June 8th.

Hartlepool was the one I thought he'd try. Much better chance of success there. Data much more favorable. Idiot.

AFP news agency @AFP
#BREAKING EU's Tusk says UK must settle 'people, money and Ireland' first

Hahahahahaha.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Oh dear. That looks fun. Being forced to face one of the difficult ones they've been trying to avoid and ignore first eh?!

Oh yeah. Happy 'Ed Balls' Day
(If you don't get what I'm on about with this don't worry. Ignore and move on. If you do get it, it's evidence you spend too much time in twitter).

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woman12345 · 28/04/2017 09:21

Crosby's mantra of 'strong governance' worked in Sri Lanka
(where he ran successful election campaign before doing May's now).
www.ft.com/content/ad3c0b0e-45a3-11e5-b3b2-1672f710807b

Even in Brexit Britain, we don't have the human rights record of Sri Lanka to scare us into voting for a dalek ., yet.

RedToothBrush · 28/04/2017 09:29

John Elledge @johnelledge
I have an irrational sense that, when Theresa May starts losing popularity, it won't be a gradual decline. It'll be overnight collapse.

To be clear: I do not think this will happen before June 8th.

Btw it was pointed out that membership of the ECHR is integral to the Good Friday agreement. So was interesting to see May back away from leaving it a couple of days ago and now see Tusk say Ireland first.

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lalalonglegs · 28/04/2017 09:35

Lynton Crosby has obviously dragged all the Tory team off to his re-education gulag, Damien Green kept crowbarring "strong and stable" into every answer until a member of the audience (thrillingly someone whom I used to know - I recognised him!) got the biggest cheer of the night by telling him to stop with the ridiculous soundbites. Peregrina - did you go?

lalalonglegs · 28/04/2017 09:39

Robert Hutton‏Verified account @RobDotHutton 1h1 hour ago
Robert Hutton Retweeted Peter Walker
Barwell will be... dealt with.

Peter WalkerVerified account @peterwalker99**
Gavin Barwell puts his own stamp on the Tories' election message by referring to "strong, stable leadership", missing out the "and".

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Peregrina · 28/04/2017 09:44

No, I didn't go - I was busy with something else. I must try and catch up with it on i-player. Normally though I no longer watch because it makes my blood boil.

Two4One2017 · 28/04/2017 09:50

Peregrina - I wouldn't waste your time watching it on iplayer....you'll never get that time back again!

Just seen a tweet where Macron backs EU sanctions on Poland "for not respecting EU rights and values"....will try and get link

MsHooliesCardigan · 28/04/2017 09:51

Red Lol at ToryDalek, very accurate. TM doesn't really do debate, she just repeats the same phrases over and over again in an increasingly hectoring headmistress voice.No wonder she's doing anything humanly possible to avoid it during the campaign. I am beyond depressed about all this right now. I am struggling to rein in my anger at my DPs.They voted Leave because they don't like the bureaucracy of the EU but didn't think Leave could actually win. It is beginning to dawn on my DM that it's going to be a disaster but her approach is just not to think about it and hope it all works out. It probably will work out for them because they won't have much time in post Brexit Britain.
Regarding the polls showing a drift to Remain, I can only see that continuing as older voters who voted overwhelmingly to Leave begin to die off and more young people, who tend to vote overwhelmingly to Remain, become of voting age.
So, by the time Brexit's done and dusted, it's highly likely that most of the population will be against it. I would love to have a time machine and go forward 40 years and see how Brexit is taught in history lessons.

Two4One2017 · 28/04/2017 09:55

Here's a translation (via google translate)

I want to look at the case of Poland in its entirety, and I want sanctions to be imposed on the non-respect of the rights and values of the European Union. The treaties provide for this. We can not have a Europe that debates the decimal point after the comma and when you have a member country that behaves like Poland and Hungary on matters related to the university, the refugees, our fundamental values , We decide not to do anything.

And here's the interview (in french)

www.ouest-france.fr/politique/emmanuel-macron/presidentielle-macron-veut-repondre-la-colere-du-premier-tour-4955891

Peregrina · 28/04/2017 10:10

I watched the first 10 minutes of QT. I enjoyed seeing the person who said he'd bet his wife a tenner that the Tory would talk about coalition of chaos and strong and stable in his opening remarks. Which of course he duly did.

I did wonder why they had an SNP person on, but what I saw of him was very good. Oxford City has a couple of Green Councillors, so why no Green representative on the panel?

Peregrina · 28/04/2017 10:19

I have just read that Sadiq Khan has scrapped Boris's vanity project of the Garden Bridge. Technically, it's withdrawal of approval of the finance.
Boris's new routemasters are also being phased out.

He didn't do very well, did he?

lalalonglegs · 28/04/2017 10:30

No, he didn't. Thomas Hetherwick didn't do badly out of his patronage though, did he? That's £40million gone from the public purse and not a single brick laid (or whatever the bridge-building equivalent is) Shock

prettybird · 28/04/2017 10:33

It would appear that the BBC is still at least partially living in the Coalition years.

This is their synopsis for the panellists on last night's show

"David Dimbleby chairs topical debate from Oxford. On the panel are Conservative work and pensions secretary Damian Green, Labour MP Clive Lewis, Liberal Democrat minister Jo Swinson, the SNP's Europe spokesman Stephen Gethins, and the journalist and member of the House of Lords Camilla Cavendish"

Somebody should tell them that not only is Jo Swindon not a minister, she is no longer even an MP Confused

I agree about the lack of Greens being wrong. Given that Camilla Cavendish is another Conservative (even if she has temporarily? resigned the party whip in order to take on a role that requires her to cut party affiliations), she would have been the obvious candidate Grin

Peregrina · 28/04/2017 10:35

That's £40million gone from the public purse

Just imagine the headlines if a Labour Mayor had squandered so much public money.

(I like the idea itself of a garden bridge, but not in times of austerity, when public services are being destroyed. I notice the private backers didn't rush forward.)

RedToothBrush · 28/04/2017 10:37

The Greens could well overtake UKIP in polling soon. I'm expecting it to happen sooner rather than later. I hope that BBC panels and political shows start reflecting this.

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SwedishEdith · 28/04/2017 10:39

I actually thought Camilla Cavendish was OK last night. I'm sure I've seen her before and been a bit put off but she seemed fairly reasonable last night. Much better quality of questions and comments from the audience.

RedToothBrush · 28/04/2017 10:43

order-order.com/2017/04/28/hollobone-agrees-tory-ukip-pact/
Hollobone Agrees to a UKIP Pact

I can not, for the life of me, see why he needed to do this. For any reason. Other than he wants to be a Kipper but is too chicken to be a kipper. He doesn't actually need the votes!

fleetstreetfox‏*@fleetstreetfox*

And the Tories won't campaign as Tories, but as Theresa May because she's not as toxic as her party is

This. ^ Reverse true for Labour.

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SwedishEdith · 28/04/2017 10:44

have spent a lot of time thinking about PR - but convinced myself that FPTP kept UKIP down so PR would not have been a good idea

Voting patterns would be very different under PR. I don't think you can simply lift one set of results under FPTP and slot them into PR to see what Parliament would look like.

CeciledeVolanges · 28/04/2017 10:48

Imp, sorry this was a bit earlier, but I think not making the teaching profession unbearable and unsustainable for many teachers would also help.

Could they introduce a rule where you don't have to repay your student loan while you work in the profession you trained in (e.g. Teaching, nursing) but if you leave you start again? And after 15 years or so in that profession the debt is wiped ours

pointythings · 28/04/2017 10:51

And on Radio 4 this morning: Paul Nuttall thinks Barcelona is a country....

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