.... not to mention the return of the sweatshops and slum landlords stacking tenants 10 high.
OP.
"Could you please explain what you mean by "baiting?"
Sure . You are simply attempting to re-ignite debate surrounding key areas you feel strongly about regards the referendum vote, to illicit a response, for the sole purpose of then overlaying your own biased assumptions about individual voters.
I do however, appreciate that you may be wishing to find more socially acceptable ways to discuss the whole issue, but given the link youve provided, its still with a view of 'winning the argument'.
The argument is done. The vote was pretty much an intransigent vote. It was uncompromising. It was a simple in or out.
Is there indeed any point in holding any debate now? No.
The votes been held. There was plenty of debate prior to the vote, there is absolutely no purpose or benefit to be gained from debating the key issues now.
Tell me, are you prepared to change your mind about brexit? If you are, then I apologise. Welcome to the dark side 😀
What I think you are looking at, are what Id call grievances claimed by the vocal remain protesters.
So let me look at those perceived greivances, and in fact, what the leave vote wasnt.
The message from the intransigent remain protester, is loud and clear, and continues. There is a persistent contempt for the intelligence and knowledge of the 'leave voter'. Leave voters are, in the protesters' view, too ignorant and morally corrupt (racist, bigotted?) to vote on such important matters. These matters should of course be decided by, the intelligent informed section of society. The remain voter.
The vote itself was either, based on campaign lies (because ignorant leave voters woke up one morning suddenly believing everything a politician tells them despite all of us living for decades with manifesto u-turns, persistant failures to deliver pre election promises etc etc) or, was some sort of misguided 'protest' vote.
It was neither. It was a vote on our continued membership of the EU. To say, we dont understand what our membership entails, is condescending in the extreme. Weve lived within the EU for decades now, we know exactly what EU membership means.
Another apparent grievance, is the remain protestors persistance that the vote was an economic vote of such gravity, that only those clever people who understood the economic subtleties and trade agreements surrounding our EU membership, should have been allowed to vote. It wasnt.
Trade deals will always be negotiated (as the US is now demonstrating since ripping up the TTIP, though I dont think Merkel had a particularly good trip last week 😀) and economics will always ebb and flo, fluctuate, be impacted by external forces, availability and demand etc. The EU single market is no different.
Indeed, I would say, that there are many many leave voters who quite simply wished to return to the trading partnership the EU was initially intended to be.
However, the EU utterly refuse to consider reverting to a trade only relationship. That was the choice placed before us. All or nothing. We voted nothing.
To continually blame the leave voter for not providing some middle ground is wholly inaccurate. To blame the brexit negotiators or campaigners for not securing some form of trading relationship inadvance, is wholly inaccurate. Brexit negotiators, our government, us, we were all given just 2 choices by the EU. All or nothing.
The EU referendum was squarely about who governs us and who makes our laws. It was about national sovereignty.
We voted to join the EU (then common market) as a trading alliance. At no point since that time, have we been asked if we'd like to have a political alliance with Europe. If wed like to live under european law.
Weve never ever been asked. Until now.
The UK referendum squarely answered that question. Its no. No to a political alliance and being ruled from Brussels.
The argument that 'some EU laws are great for us' utterly ignores the fundamental question. We voted on the fundamental question, not a thousand points of minutia that the EU were letting us vote individually on. They werent. The EU demanded all or nothing.
As a sovereign state, we are more than capable of incorporating 'good laws'. Thats the whole point. The people of a nation should indeed decide their own governance, not some club in Brussels.
And then theres migration. An open door policy that again was forced on us by the EU, with no reference or consideration to the UK citizens. David Cameron went to Brussels and told them this was a deal breaker. The estimated numbers promised by Brussels were indeed tenfold that anticipated.
The remainers werent protesting then at DCs mission to Brussels, indeed Clegg and all, were/are in total agreement. We must have control of our borders he demanded. The EU sent him packing.
So why are remainers protesting now? The EU demanded an all or nothing position regards migrants. All or nothing. How dare they blame leave voters, or even the government, for not providing some middle option. The dictatorship that is the EU, demanded all or nothing.
What has been eye opening, is I hadnt realised how many people who lived here, actually despise the UK. Theyre 'ashamed' to be british. They refuse to place any responsibility on the EUs rigid 'all or nothing' position, and place it squarely on some mythical knuckle dragging ignorant right wing white nazi racist theyve seen in a cartoon. They persist in slating UK democracy, claiming "but the 'population' majority didnt vote to leave!" ....(though Scotland of course was an absolutely legitimate majority remain vote win 🙄.
I do think OP, you should look at remainers grievances and the psyche of those who point blank refuse to accept the result.
But theres my take on it. Scream, bawl, holler at Brussels not London.
I am hugely sympathetic to the plight of those caught in limbo over this. Those who have made homes and planned futures in adoptive countries. The uncertainty over NI, Gibralta etc. But the EU were rigid. All or nothing. It is not only utterly misguided to blame the current UK government for this predicament, but shameless political point scoring from parliamentary members who should know better.
Start protesting in Brussels, not London.
We only had 2 choices, but at least the UK were finally given the choice. The rest of europe doesnt appear to be that lucky. No further referendums so far.
Perhaps the people of a european nation are indeed, too stupid to be asked? Thats EU democracy for you.