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What will Brexit mean to our family?

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CalineF · 14/03/2017 00:51

I am French. I have permanently lived in London since June 1992. I have paperwork to prove when I arrived and I can prove I also worked more than three consecutive years for the same companies over the past 25 years. I am not working a the moment due to chronic debilitating migraines. A relatively rare syndrome called HC and NDPH. All neurological treatments have so far failed.
I was engaged to a British man from Essex. John Smith is his name. I am not making this up!
We have a four year old daughter born in London.
We never married and separated two years ago.
I am the sole carer of our daughter.
I didn't apply for cityzenship. I didn't think I would need too.
Will I be asked to leave despite having leaved in London for twenty five years. Despite having worked and studied in the UK. Despite being ill and having no close relative. I am estranged to my family in France. Despite my daughter being British?
Have you any insight?

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WhynothaveaKidsDay · 16/03/2017 15:05

Dsis, not ds Blush

Draylon · 16/03/2017 15:05

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wrongnumberEE · 16/03/2017 15:09

OP, I believe that even though you are not currently in employment, all you need to apply for Permanent Residency is a "qualifying period" of five years. So if you have worked for five consecutive years whilst you've been living here, you're fine.

Adddddvvvvverbs · 16/03/2017 15:19

"If you stay, you'll find yourself in an increasingly hostile, xenophobic environment, working in a sinking economy, earning British roubles. If you leave it too long, you may not be able to afford to 'go home'.

I 'get' that EU citizens have made their lives, grown their families, forged their careers in Britain, but that was in a far more open, tolerant, richer, desirable Britain than the one we're now looking down the barrel of a gun, at.

I'd be cutting my losses."

Would you know? Hmm

Extremely patronising and naive. And bloody offensive. Biscuit

Draylon · 17/03/2017 14:13

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LevantineHummus · 17/03/2017 14:26

OP I feel for you. I'm a Brit in Europe. I'm married to a EU national, but we don't live in his country. The country we live (and own a house) in won't give nationality to foreigners unless they give up all other nationalities, which I don't want to do.

So, I have to learn DH's language and sit a language test to be eligible to apply for his nationality (through marriage) in order to be sure that I can stay in the country we live in.

And I too have nobody to go to in the UK.

And DH wouldn't be able to come to the UK.

It's a total mess (I'm omitting all the swear words I know) and INCREDIBLY stressful.

LevantineHummus · 17/03/2017 14:28

And DH doesn't want to come to the U.K. either after a nasty incident when we were back this summer which made him believe Brexit sentiments were very real.

Draylon · 17/03/2017 15:40

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LevantineHummus · 17/03/2017 16:15

Not going to say where I am because I don't want to out myself more than I already have! But there are other places where you can't get nationality unless you give up your own, or marry a national (in which case you're allowed to keep your own).

The whole thing is so stressful.

AnneElliott · 17/03/2017 19:12

Sorry that you're worried op. It might be worth getting some legal advice, particularly on your Dd status as if not married to her Brit Cit father then she might not qualify for UK nationality ( this is a complex area of law and I'm not an expert)

Hopefully the status of EU citizens will be resolved shortly.

CalineF · 17/03/2017 22:39

@KarmaNoMore Thank you for your reply. I quoted I am a single mum to stress the fact that I am the sole carer of my daughter not to get sympathy.

I am studying for the Citizenship. In fact, I bought:
'Life in the UK Test: Study Guide 2017: The Essential Study Guide for the British Citizenship Test.'
'Life in the UK Test: Practice Questions 2017: Questions and Answers for the British Citizenship Test.'
'Life in the UK Test: Handbook 2017: Everything You Need to Study for the British Citizenship Test.'
And I am doing the tests online.

I have been a permanent UK residents for twenty-five years, I think, read, write and dream in English. I have worked in public sectors, gained my Higher GCSE English Language in London and I have only been socialising with English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh. Furthermore, I am great at crosswords.

I will succeed at my Citizenship. I just don't have £1200 to pay for it at the moment, and as I already mentioned in the previous comments, I can not apply for the remains leave since to qualify one needs to be non-dependent to government funds.

I don't think you realise what NDPH and HC is. You obviously never had migraines that make your nose bleed and your teeth clunch. That gives you nausea, vomiting and drowsiness. That reduce you to remain indoors with all windows and blackout curtains closed. That push you to wear ear plugs all day. That tears the side of your face and your eyelid. During crises, I can't tolerate sounds, vibrations, light and smells. I can't even eat. To make things worse, I can have migraines for weeks and months in a row. And each type is different every day.

The two hours I can have free as you referred to, is used to have a shower, to do the laundry, to tidy our kitchen, to make shopping lists, to be with my child.

As long as Neurologists haven't found a treatment, this will be my life. Don't you believe in one moment that I enjoy being like this? I want to work. I want to take my daughter to the park. I want to live my life than to survive.

I apologise if you assumed my post was to get sympathy and for others to be sorry for me. It wasn't I was solely asking what would happen to my daughter's status if I don't manage to get my citizenship on time and I am requested to leave.

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CalineF · 17/03/2017 22:54

Thanks everyone for your messages and your experiences in put.
Let me clarify a few point.

  1. My daughter is British. Her dad is on her birth certificate, and she has his surname.
  2. She doesn't speak French.
  3. To apply for remains leave one needs to be non-dependent on government funds.
Thank you for all the links. I am pinned on that post but as most of you advised I need proper legal advice. Thank you and good luck to you all x
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CalineF · 17/03/2017 23:07

@KarmaNoMore Thank you.

I am still a fighter, and I will get us out of this mess.

I am meeting with doctors on Monday and I will request for my ovaries to be removed since my migraines are chronic vascular migraines. I have made the request twice over the past two years, but the NHS refused.

If I was to stop ovulating then chances are my migraines will cease, I will then stop being dependent on the NHS and benefits, and I could go back to work.

I am 45 years old. I should be allowed to make that decision.
The system is a catch 22.

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CalineF · 20/03/2017 01:02

I found that interested link:
echeck.org/get-uk-citizenship/

Did you know that if you apply for a Uk remain leave and you are successful, you may not be able to return if you leave?

Do you get only one try for the citizenship test? £1000 + per try?

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feesh · 20/03/2017 01:30

Just to give you hope, my cousin had the same condition (it had originally been triggered by the Depo injection). She had a total hysterectomy (on the NHS) and made a total recovery. Good luck with everything :)

CalineF · 20/03/2017 02:32

@feesh Thank you. Was it Depo contraception injection? Because I too used it for a year and got very ill while taking it. OMG! It is so 'nice' to know I am not the only one with the condition. Did your cousin had to do a trial of increased estrogen to mimic menaupose to check if the hysterectomy was suitable? I am asking for a second professional opinion. The neurologist and migraines clinic I am being followed by are wasting my time. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME HOPE 😊

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CalineF · 20/03/2017 03:14

@feesh
I hsve tried everything. Hormonal treatment also fail. Here is the link I am hoping to show my GP llaterr on. I would do anything to get a normal life. I have been seriously ill for 7 years and was misdiagnosed for 10 years before that migraine.com/blog/hysterectomy-and-migraines/

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feesh · 20/03/2017 04:52

Yes it was the Depo injection. I don't know what other treatments she had to endure before they finally did the hysterectomy, but I know the migraines stopped as soon as she had it done. Just keep pushing and get second opinions until you get the answers you want.

CalineF · 20/03/2017 08:55

@feesh Thank you. I can see light at the end of the tunel. ☺

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RachelRagged · 20/03/2017 12:06

I think this is terrible and I am sorry you are all so worried now .

Surely to God its easiest thing in the world to say "Those EU citizens who have lives here now , work, pay taxes, are married with kids or without etc etc" should damn well be able to STAY here without all this hoop jumping.

RachelRagged · 20/03/2017 12:07

I am British, born here , never left (apart from holidays abroad) and I done the citizenship test online . . I would have failed it . £1000 each time ? Jeez

GreenPeppers · 20/03/2017 22:14

I'm pretty sure I have seen something about working but being 'allowed' some time off due to illness (aka you can have some gaps due to that).

I have to say, I would try and get some proper advice from an immigration lawyer.
Maybe not now as we don't really know what the rules will be. But in a few month/1 year as things will get clearer.

I might be wrong but I suspect that the rules will be the ones that are included in the last rules implemented by the Home Office. In effect more or less the same than the Ines for the Oermanent residence card - working, self employed, student or self suffciecient but with a health insurrance on the last two cases.
At least that's what I am assumming (I'm working but very part time due to ill health too - the fact that I am married and self suffcient thanks to DH wage isn't taken into account btw)

GreenPeppers · 20/03/2017 22:16

I'm also planning the fact that as 'foreigners' we won't get the same sort of benefits than British citizens.
So you might be allowed to stay but not allowed to received any benefits for not working due to ill health iyswim.

And yes it is crap. VERY Crap.

CalineF · 21/03/2017 00:25

What I am confused about is the edited cist of the UK cityzenship. On the UK government site is says £1000 + but on this link echeck.org/get-uk-citizenship/ it says £1000 for the test per attempt plus £1000 + for the ceremony and £80 + for administration. Total: £ 2800 + ?
Is this correct?

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