Brexit Arms special - the fingers on the trigger!

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Well here we are, almost 9 months on from the referendum & A50 is finally set to be triggered this month.
We've had petitions, marches, tantrums & tears, from the hardcore remainers desperately trying to stop the will of the people, but they can't.

So let's get the champagne out of the cellar ready & waiting - this is the last Brexit Arms thread so let's celebrate!
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Unravelling 40 years of legislation will require a small army of lawyers and civil servants. Setting up new trade deals will cost time and money.

The Tories have already borrowed eye watering sums of money and yet the NHS and social care are a mess. There will be no cash for those run down Brexit voting areas.

Do you mean successive UK governments in recent years have borrowed 'eye watering' amounts?

When within the safety cradle of the EU?

Set free from the stranglehold the UK will have the ability to write a new script.

I mean the Tory government 2010-present. Which has nothing to do with EU.

order-order.com/2016/11/23/tory-decade-irresponsibility-debt-borrowing-soar/

Set free from the stranglehold the UK will have the ability to write a new script.

Yep. One were workers rights are tossed on the bonfire, the rich get richer and the poor a whole lot poorer.

bored what exactly do you mean by 'the stranglehold of the EU'?

It sounds to me very much like rhetoric nonsense

Can you give any examples of this 'stranglehold' and tell us why it's had a detrimental impact on us?

Bear - they only thing these people have is empty rhetoric and cliches. It was the staple of the leave campaign and continues to be so today.

Brexit negotiations will be going on for years. No one will know the exact fallout ( if any? ) for at least 5 years.
Now get over yourselves & move on - or just go & listen to Adele songs in the misery corner thread. You've got your thread, we've got ours.

years and years of economic limbo to make ourselves poorer.

I know ghost I'd just like to see if anyone has thought of anything to actually support their cliches in the last 9 months.

I'm fully expected more rhetoric or a 'I could tell you but I won't'

I'd like to see if you could change the record Bear, you've been stuck in the same groove for years. You need a hobby.

Ghost maybe poorer to you and me mean different things.

Ghost maybe poorer to you and me mean different things.

well if you're a wealthy leaver probably only eating out 3 times a month instead of 4. To leavers in poorer areas probably being able to pay the gas bill or not.

So. What was the stranglehold of the EU stopping all you lovely people from doing? Are you all going to rush to the seaside once article 50 is triggered and pollute some beaches?

Figmentofmyimagination
Whether I talk rubbish or not is a matter of opinion - but at least I'm not ageist like you.
Are the views of under 45's the only ones worth listening to?
I think you'll find most remainers on these threads are far older than the leavers, so go & analyse that.

bored I'll change the record when you give me a sensible answer- just one example will do.

Surely if this 'stranglehold' is so restrictive you can think of just one single example.

I'm mid 30's, northerner, working class, remainer. Quite the traitor

I'm going to hide this thread for a while as it's just getting too irritating which is a shame as I love having the pub to pop into the raise a glass now and then.

But I just want to say, it has really made me laugh how the remainer line on here has gone, in less than 24 hours, from

" you are all a load of under-employed, poor, uneducated discontents who just want to sock one to the system,so your views don't count"

to

"you are all a load of wealthy middle-aged women who are so protected from the real world you just don't care so your views don't count"

with no sense of irony or embarrassment, or questioning of how we can simultaneously be both of these, or with perhaps the thought crossing your minds that perhaps we are a normal spread of people of all sorts, y'know, like remain voters. Some richer, some poorer, more/less educated, etc, etc, with yes, some correlations in who voted how, but a pretty broad spread of people voting each way. Is that really too complicated to grasp?

And yes, I consider myself fairly lucky financially (although as a family we have been though some really tough times). But guess what? - I have children - and their futures are more important to me than my life, they really are. So f off with your telling me I don't care about the economic future of this country.

Grow up. Treat other people as if they are human beings. Stop talking down to leavers as if they are less than you.

Cheers to all my friends on the thread (leavers and nice remainers) and I'll see you all some time soon

Bear - you are wasting your time. The rules of the pub are ignore, deflect and obfuscation.

Wrong trouser, there is no "remainer line". We are all individuals making individual observations.

And in any case being under educated and under employed is in no way incompatible with being middle aged and wealthy.

Cheers WT. I'll give you this to play when you miss the pub:

If people resort to foul language and cliches rather than addressing points I am going to question intellect. I don't think this is a crime.

I respect the passion of leavers on this thread but given they are so passionate I would have thought they could back up their soundbites.

Rees-Mogg man of the people . He was on QT last night worried about scottish independence splitting up families. No mention of leaving the EU splitting up families though.

wrong for someone who repeatedly says people should be more understanding you are very quick to extrapolate comments inaccurately and dismiss Remainers out of hand

I notice you never did bother trying to answer my questions about consequences yesterday- funny that.

If you want to build a consensus you have to tell us how the hurdles we foresee, hurdles which are very real, are going to be worthwhile.

The fact that not a single one of you can give even attempt to address the consequences i have been referring to simply because there are no answers demonstrates just how far we are from healing the divide in this country.