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Brexit

Westminster: Brexit is the hard right's weapon of mass distraction

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/03/2017 07:21

The fervour and divisions over Brexit have suspended normal party politics.

The staggering incompetence & unsuitability of Corbyn as a leader, together with the resulting impotence of Labour has removed the normal checks & balances in UK politics.
There is a vaccum where the Official Opposition should be, so Theresa May is under pressure only from her right.

I fear Thereas May and the Tory rightwing are taking advantage of Brexit to complete the destruction of the post-WW2 social contract and the welfare state.

Meanwhile, the constraints of civilised discourse have been loosened and those with racist or social Darwinist views now feel free to spout their poison openly.

Putin is pouring petrol on all the fires and Arron Banks is lurking < sinister emoticons required >

Zoe Williams:
"Behind a smokescreen of bogus patriotism, ideologically driven cuts to the NHS and all our public services are unpicking the bonds of nationhood"

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/05/brexit-theresa-may-falklands-war-nhs-cuts

"We should be marching against the crisis in adult social care, the closure of care homes, the systematic exploitation of carers, the £4.6bn cut from social care budgets this decade.
We should be .... asking:

“What exactly is the plan, if we’ve decided we can no longer afford to care for the elderly and the disabled?
What do we do with them instead?”

"We should be marching against cuts in education funding"

"Every morning we wake up to someone on the radio explaining, despairingly, that you can’t fix the hospital bed crisis until social care is fixed, and you can’t fix that until council tax brings in more, and it can’t bring in more because wages are too low."

"But when everything breaks at the same time, that is not a coincidence: it is a plan.

As surely as Margaret Thatcher had an economic plan on employment, rights, industry and wages,
this century’s Conservatives have a plan on public services, which is to smash them beyond all recognition."

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Thegruffalowswife · 08/03/2017 09:36

People who voted leave were voting to leave the Eu. They were not voting for Nigel.

mathanxiety · 08/03/2017 09:37

It is mind boggling that anyone would vote for something that appeals to a bell end. Something a bell end has pursued with doggedness for his entire political career in fact.

Thegruffalowswife · 08/03/2017 09:37

Any more than remainers would be voting for Tony Blair if there was another vote.

Mistigri · 08/03/2017 09:37

So who among the Leavers was unaware of anything Nigel 'On TV 24/7' Farage thought about immigrants

Well, in fairness to leave voters, remainers aligned themselves with Theresa May of the infamous "Go Home" advertising hoardings.

Point being was that the only way to avoid being in bed with racists was not to vote at all!

Doesn't excuse saying racist shit now though.

prettybird · 08/03/2017 09:39

UKIP managed 1.6% and 2% of the vote at the Westminster and Holyrood elections respectively in Scotland Hmm

Obviously a solid base of support Wink

mathanxiety · 08/03/2017 09:39

They were voting for something that Nigel believed in, and they provided vindication for Nigel that he was right, that his career had not been in vain, and confirmed that his flirtation with messages and ugly undercurrents that threaten to rip the country apart had resonated with the majority of those who voted.

Thegruffalowswife · 08/03/2017 09:40

Thank you misti. I agree.

mathanxiety · 08/03/2017 09:41

In fact, you might say that voting Leave resulted in encouraging Nigel and all the other racists.

Thegruffalowswife · 08/03/2017 09:42

The majority agreed with nigel that we needed to leave the eu.

That is about as far as the connection goes.

HashiAsLarry · 08/03/2017 09:42

The murder of Jo Cox should have been a massive red flag though. After that there's no excuse and a willful ignorance in attempting to say the Leave campaign and vote hasn't legitimised certain voices.

mathanxiety · 08/03/2017 09:43

Point being was that the only way to avoid being in bed with racists was not to vote at all!

A good few people did that.
And obviously a good few people didn't mind aligning themselves with racists.

Thegruffalowswife · 08/03/2017 09:44

WineIn fact, you might say that voting Leave resulted in encouraging Nigel and all the other racists.Wine

Do you think having a us president like donald trump might be more encouraging for racists than leaving the eu?

HashiAsLarry · 08/03/2017 09:46

And who was encouraging Trump? Oh yeah Brexit and Farage.

PoundlandUK · 08/03/2017 09:47

Brexit and Trump ideologies have been cemented together.
By both Farage and by Trump.

mathanxiety · 08/03/2017 09:49

The majority agreed with nigel that we needed to leave the eu.
That is about as far as the connection goes.

He is the face, the voice, and the guiding light of the anti EU lobby for decades. Not merely anti-EU but anti immigration, and he ticked all the usual knee jerk reactionary tick boxes. His entire career as leading British bell end is on record. But people still voted Leave.

And they voted Leave in spite of comments by leading Leavers about experts, that should have been very offputting for voters who pride themselves on making responsible choices.

Thegruffalowswife · 08/03/2017 09:50

I felt it was sick that the murder of Jo Cox is used as a political weapon against others who also want the best for the country. We are not voting for nutcases to murder mps.

I think the fact that you wish to use her disgusting and brutal murder as a political weapon, shows just how morally bankrupt you are.

Thegruffalowswife · 08/03/2017 09:54

If a crazy eu fanatic had (god forbid) done in someone like DC. Would it have changed your mind on the future of britain in the eu? I doubt it.

HashiAsLarry · 08/03/2017 09:54

No, the morally bankrupt are those who are too willfully ignorant to acknowledge that legitimising racism and xenophobia caused an innocent lady's murder.

BigChocFrenzy · 08/03/2017 09:55

imo, telling people they shouldn't have voted a particular way is pointless:
we are here and have no Tardis

We should concentrate our fire and fury on campaigning against the scorched earth WTO Brexit that May is likely to bungle us into.

Build bridges and try to make common cause between Remainers and moderate Leavers, to lobby for an EEAA / EFTA Brexit, which would be the least damaging.
To campaign jointly for the rights of E27 expats in the UK
And against the cuts to the nhs, schools, benefits and welfare services that May is making while Brexit is distracting everyone.

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Thegruffalowswife · 08/03/2017 09:58

You probably would have thought about how awful that individual was and felt deeply sorry for the family.
You probably would not be happy for people to make false connections about you based on assprions of which way the murderer might have chosen to vote.

SapphireStrange · 08/03/2017 09:58

Just checking in I've no hope of catching up

Thanks BigChoc!

BigChocFrenzy · 08/03/2017 10:00

We need to jointly fight back against the far right and try to stop the spread of hate and extreme nationalism - which is not patriotism
Or I fear Jo Cox will just be the first in a line of fascist murders of their centre and left opponents

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Thegruffalowswife · 08/03/2017 10:02

I fear bigchoc that some of your pals are very unreasonable.

I think if anyone is likely to be able to get help from leavers on securing a good deal it is you. I don't think many others are able to behave in a way that will get anyone on side.

Mistigri · 08/03/2017 10:03

I think the fact that you wish to use her disgusting and brutal murder as a political weapon, shows just how morally bankrupt you are.

But - and let's get this straight once and for all - it's fine for people like redpoll above, along with every far right politician ever, to use crimes committed by a tiny minority of muslims as a political weapon in order to justify abusing other muslims?

I don't know if you wre a racist, but I know for damn fucking certain that you are a colossal hypocrite.