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Westminster: Brexit is the hard right's weapon of mass distraction

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/03/2017 07:21

The fervour and divisions over Brexit have suspended normal party politics.

The staggering incompetence & unsuitability of Corbyn as a leader, together with the resulting impotence of Labour has removed the normal checks & balances in UK politics.
There is a vaccum where the Official Opposition should be, so Theresa May is under pressure only from her right.

I fear Thereas May and the Tory rightwing are taking advantage of Brexit to complete the destruction of the post-WW2 social contract and the welfare state.

Meanwhile, the constraints of civilised discourse have been loosened and those with racist or social Darwinist views now feel free to spout their poison openly.

Putin is pouring petrol on all the fires and Arron Banks is lurking < sinister emoticons required >

Zoe Williams:
"Behind a smokescreen of bogus patriotism, ideologically driven cuts to the NHS and all our public services are unpicking the bonds of nationhood"

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/05/brexit-theresa-may-falklands-war-nhs-cuts

"We should be marching against the crisis in adult social care, the closure of care homes, the systematic exploitation of carers, the £4.6bn cut from social care budgets this decade.
We should be .... asking:

“What exactly is the plan, if we’ve decided we can no longer afford to care for the elderly and the disabled?
What do we do with them instead?”

"We should be marching against cuts in education funding"

"Every morning we wake up to someone on the radio explaining, despairingly, that you can’t fix the hospital bed crisis until social care is fixed, and you can’t fix that until council tax brings in more, and it can’t bring in more because wages are too low."

"But when everything breaks at the same time, that is not a coincidence: it is a plan.

As surely as Margaret Thatcher had an economic plan on employment, rights, industry and wages,
this century’s Conservatives have a plan on public services, which is to smash them beyond all recognition."

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missmoon · 07/03/2017 22:35

I forgot to say, of course, that one of the biggest sources of taxation is VAT, which is paid by everyone who consumes, and is unrelated to income.

Thegruffalowswife · 07/03/2017 22:35

Yes. Sorry redpoll but Hmm

HashiAsLarry · 07/03/2017 22:36

The fact the poor had nothing else wasn't natural, that was inflicted.

mimishimmi · 07/03/2017 22:36

TheGruffalo - the Irish had ben forced off their lands by English landowning aristocrats into small holdings in which the only nourishing thing they could sustainably grow were potatoes. Whilst millions starved or had to leave, the landlords continued to export other crops/food. It was entirely deliberate to force them off their lands and maje them dependant on that single crop position albeit the blight was a natural phenomenon (I hope).

Thegruffalowswife · 07/03/2017 22:37

I consider myself to be slightly right of centre but Hmm

Badders123 · 07/03/2017 22:38

No relief was sent.
THAT was inflicted. Knowingly and willingly by the British govt.

Please dont make excuses about the famine to an Irish person.

Just don't.

Thegruffalowswife · 07/03/2017 22:38

The exporting of grain should never have happened.

Thegruffalowswife · 07/03/2017 22:39

Even if it didn't there was not enough to sustain people during the famine, but it would have helped considerably.

Thegruffalowswife · 07/03/2017 22:40

The british government were arseholes at that time. Not just to the irish.

Badders123 · 07/03/2017 22:40

You are do realise you are preaching to people who lost ancestors in the Irish famine?
Just stop.
Now.
And fgs read a bloody history book!

GhostofFrankGrimes · 07/03/2017 22:41

you are arguing with someone whose knowledge of irish history consists of skim reading wiki 15 minutes ago...

The thread is being derailed as it was last night.

Badders123 · 07/03/2017 22:42

You're right....You're right!
But Netflix isn't loading and its put me in a temper 😠
😁

Thegruffalowswife · 07/03/2017 22:42

Carry on then...

Goodnight Grin

Badders123 · 07/03/2017 22:43

Byeeeeee

GhostofFrankGrimes · 07/03/2017 22:43

will you be using the same user name tomorrow?

woman12345 · 07/03/2017 22:45

The thread is being derailed as it was last night
Wonder why they are so threatened today, we're doing something right.
Smile

And it's been(mostly) a lovely thread today, many thanks all.

HashiAsLarry · 07/03/2017 22:46

A pittance in relief was sent. Not as much as Peel wanted, because he was hijacked by arseholes and what was sent was far too little and far too late. Even those loony lefty Tories back in those days weren't allowed to show empathy Grin.

Sorry, Peel was a bit of a thing for me during A level. Talk of his existence seemed to piss off all sections of my family. That's normally a bonus for me Grin

GhostofFrankGrimes · 07/03/2017 22:46

yes, signing off to. Great to discuss with mostly like minded people. Smile

Thegruffalowswife · 07/03/2017 22:46

Probs Grin

Or maybe smellytubbies

I am a name changer Grin

Badders123 · 07/03/2017 22:47

Gruffalo hasn't got a w in it btw....

HashiAsLarry · 07/03/2017 22:48

TBF I like it when the derailers bring us to matters such as this - tends to spur a decent conversation between the rest of us.

I also love the fact that we do things like Trump and Grammar schools. You all teach me so much.

GloriaGaynor · 07/03/2017 22:48

Funny with NI being part of the UK, kids aren't taught about Cromwell's massacres in Ireland, Wexford & Drogheda, 1649 ?

I was as it happens, I did that bit of history for A level, no doubt I'm in a minority.

Put me off Cromwell and the Protectorate for life. He was a humourless psychopath.

Badders123 · 07/03/2017 22:48

Night all!

BigChocFrenzy · 07/03/2017 22:48

Most of the world considers Britain has a shameful history of atrocities in Ireland and as I posted, the Irish famine is taught in some US schools as genocide.

The Uk had a serious problem throughout the 20th century when it needed help from the US:
the hostility of Irish Americans who do know their history.

Prominent Irish Americans opposed the US entering WW1 and WW2 - you must have read about US ambassador Joseph Kennedy ?
Many provided arms and funds to the IRA throughout the Troubles.

They may block Trump's bigly trade deal in Congress if they think it too favourable to the Uk

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Thegruffalowswife · 07/03/2017 22:49

Damn it. Should have read the Gruffalo more...

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