New EU immigration regulations may lead to deportations

[Mistigri]

Article on new HO regulations concerning the rights of EU citizens in the UK:

www.freemovement.org.uk/briefing-legal-status-eu-citizens-uk/

On the face of it, these new rules would appear to give the HO the right to deport any EU citizen without permanent residency rights, who is not currently exercising treaty rights and who does not have private health insurance. This will include many EU spouses of UK citizens who are not currently working and cannot document a 5 year period during which they exercised treaty rights - regardless of the amount of time they have spent in the UK.

This gives a whole new slant to those HO letters suggesting that EU citizens make plans to leave. Might be time for affected EU citizens to consider legal advice :-/

(Weird and hostile way of opening negotiations with the EU27 over migrants' rights - I am coming to the conclusion that May may actually want the negotiations to fail).

Oh you are right. That must be why you are here

Whats more, the Brussels Journal article in question was written by a Russian dissident who has, in recent years, been a senior UKIP official and is currently on trial for possession of child pornography.

It's an odd source to quote if you dont want people jumping to conclusions about your personal politics and motivations.

I wouldn't call the "My Island Story" view of British history that Gove sought to impose, a modest Conservative view. It most certainly neglects the brutal role Britain played in Empire.....

Is there any reason for you to believe that the author of the report is "far right" or "far left"

I wouldn't call the "My Island Story" view of British history that Gove sought to impose, a modest Conservative view

Neither would I, but being conservative in any way would be enough for accusations like mistis

Undernath the link I had written this

"I was looking for a copy of this speech FYI. I can only fond it in the Brussels journal ATM. This is not an endorsement for this particular journal. I have read it elsewhere and it is very interesting."

Does it sound like I supported the politics of the particular journal?

I posted it because it contained an interesting transcript.

This man is obviously a twisted peado and needs to go to jail.

It does not mean that what he said about europe is not true. He is not the only person to have spoken about it.

Slippery Yes I am a centrist extremist who promulgates my pragmatism at every opportunity ,. No idea about the paper as I am not going can't to register for researchgate and have to deal with all their Spam in my inbox forever more.

accusations like mistis

What accusations?

I think you're one of those EUSSR obsessives who gets their history and current affairs from extreme right websites. I think this because

• you said that the EU was like the USSR
• you posted an article published on an alt-right website to support your opinion

It's not fucking rocket science!

Funny I would describe myself the exact same way.

However why don't you register for JSTOR who don't spam you and come up with some alternative evidence for your point of view? Or even just respond to the points I have already made?

you said that the EU was like the USSR

Yes

• you posted an article published on an alt-right website to support your opinion

I made it clear that at the time it was where the transcript could be linked from and that I do not support the publication. I consider myself to be slightly left of the current conservative government, I support easier and less complex immigration policies and value people's right to practice their own religion. I also value freedom of speech and free press.

If I personally am a right wing extremist, then you are a communist extremist.

I doubt either are true.

Thanks Ron. I often read from jstor too.

Not EU, but brutal deportations becoming more common:

A mother of three whose youngest son suffers from a serious blood disorder, is to be forcibly deported to Jamaica tomorrow, despite having lived in the UK for more than 25 years
.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/mother-of-three-sophia-uk-deported-jamaica-charter-flight-25-years-a7615661.html

Deported because she had ILR (had not applied for citizenship over the 25 yrs) and served a prison sentence after being found guilty of committing a crime. Not her first crime either.

But 'woman deported for contravening the conditions of her right to reside in the UK by breaking the law and going to prison' does not have the same emotive ring to it, does it.

Should all convicted criminals be allowed to carry on with their right to remain?
Or just women?
Or just those who have children?
Or just those who have sick children?

There is an issue here.
Where do you draw the line? You can say that she should have follow the rules and that's what they are.
You can say that she could have avoided committing a crime.
You can also say that separating families and separating children from their mum is worse thing ever (see the stance that the tribunals are taking regarding access the an abypusive parent for example) so it should never happen.
The needs of different people are very conflicted here.
But IMO separating children form their mother or father is never a good idea. These children needs should be protected first IMO.

I also find it interesting that those stories are coming out now.
Is it because it's becoming more common now so that's why we hear about them?
Or is it because there is a political agenda at play and someone somehow wants everyone to know how harsh to current non EU immigration system is (and it is. TM has been told that much birth by some MPs, conservative leaders and has beencritized by other countries)?
It's worth remembering that the basis for the immigration system for EU citizen swill be the current immigration system with some adaptations (hopefully) to specific eu states (I would assume different agreements with different countries as the agreements will be done country by country)

I don't mind them deporting her. She broke the terms and broke the law.

And they keep coming:
^Teenager invited to Parliament for winning Young Builder of the Year award to be deported to Afghanistan
Exclusive: Walid Durani fled home country after his grandfather was beheaded by the Taliban, who threatened him with the same fate^

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/teenager-walid-durani-young-builder-of-year-deport-afghanistan-fleet-hampshire-visit-parliament-a7617606.html

Torture in internment centre:

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/07/home-office-tells-jamaican-man-talk-to-family-online-after-removal

^On Monday night, according to the Unity Centre, Brook House detention centre was put on lockdown when guards donned riot gear and attacked a Jamaican detainee who refused to leave his cell.

“The Unity Centre received several calls from distressed detainees who were coughing uncontrollably and had difficulties speaking, because the guards had opened the roof of the building and turned on the air conditioning at full blast,” the organisation said.

“Many detainees are concerned about their health, feeling ill from the open roof and are not confident in the notoriously inadequate health provisions inside detention. Making detainees ill is one tactic by the Home Office to make them weak and thus easier to subdue and remove^

Wonder who they'll be doing this to next?
.

I also find it interesting that those stories are coming out now.

There is probably more press interest, but it may be that it's happening more often - I don't know, but if you install a mindset at the HO where the only good immigrant is one on the plane home, you'd expect the number of deportations to increase (this is also true in the US right now; same law, different enforcement priorities - they are now focussing on soft targets rather than hardened criminals).

For the home office, it also serves to feed the appetite of voters who positively relish the idea of families being torn apart as long as those families are a bit brown or speak a foreign language (there is a convenient example just above).

It's that Overton window though isn't it?

I have been aware of an increasing number of these cases and the scandal of our detention centres for the last ten years, but only because I am part of communities where there are a lot of immigrants / overseas students. Even so I was completely shocked when an alert went out for Lawyers because the Border Agency van had turned up at International House and they were rounding up overseas students who were here studying at prestigious universities, paying fees and contributing to the economy, on the basis of which language test they had taken. These young people were imprisoned in detentions centres and taken home just because they were unfortunate enough to have taken a test May had decided she could question the legality of (wrongly as it turns out). Since then the targeting of overseas students, the ultimate soft target, has got worse. Another ultimate soft target was a local man with Downs who they tried to deport after his Father died, even though his brothers were able and willing (he was a regular presence in the cafe they run) to care for him and he would have been returned to the streets of Lebanon where there was no-one to look after him. None of this made the national Press though the local man's case was covered locally.

This level of inhumanity and immorality was literally unbelievable, which is why at root the press did not publicise it at a time when there was a growing lack of sympathy for immigrants. Now I think the worm is turning and the press and public are catching on to what is being done in their name.......

I too have experience with working with people affected by the Home Office's doings and agree that deportations focus on easy targets.

Now I think the worm is turning and the press and public are catching on to what is being done in their name.......

DS just told me this week that in our little country town, an immigration van pulled up outside our Chinese takeaway and took away citizens.

I had no idea, it wasn't reported, just ignored, hopefully now the publicity round these cases will help.

In US, there is great local activism round ICE sweeps and people actually stand and protest against awful deportations, hope action spreads here.

took away citizens

Not British citizens, surely? What do you mean?