Brexit safety net

[Niamer]

Leavers and remainers - this is for you. If you are a "GET US OUT NOW!" kind of leaver, this may not be of interest.
If we fast forward two years, the EU may just about be getting round to putting the kettle on and talking about deals. Our time will be up. So we leave with nothing.

Most reasonable people I imagine, would like a get-out clause to give us the option of remaining in the EU if Brexit has gone belly up. As a parent, I am not prepared to take gambles with my children's future, even if I am confident things will go my way.
This campaign is asking for MPs to opt for an amendment to the article 50 process that gives us the safety net to be able to remain, if the people agree that is the best option. represent-us.uk. Please, if you agree with the idea, take the time to contact your MP about it. The more pressure is put in them, the more likely they will take notice. There is a template letter to use.

There won't be any major food shortages or rationing - that is just scaremongering. The cost of our food will however indisputably rise - this may mean more food bank use erc

I have already written to my MP ( who voted remain) asking for reassurance that they will not try to derail the process and will vote for A50 to be triggered. I have had the email back giving that reassurance.
I have told them that the constituents will be watching.
5 reasons why I voted leave;

1. I want our own Government to make our laws not some overpaid, unelected official
2. I want our judges to enforce those laws

3 I want FOM stopped ASAP

1. I Want us to be able to make our own trade deals with other countries
2. I do not want ever closer union. In fact I want no union at all.

I want us to leave now.

We will now be able to ban the practice of exporting live animals from Britain for slaughter on the continent.

"There won't be any major food shortages or rationing - that is just scaremongering. The cost of our food will however indisputably rise - this may mean more food bank use"

Yes, there may not be food shortages for everyone but price rises mean there certainly will be for some.

We will now be able to ban the practice of exporting live animals from Britain for slaughter on the continent

Or alternatively animal welfare and food safety standards will massively decline so we can trade with the US.

I'm sure all those using food banks will be pleased to know it's not because there is a food shortage, it's simply that they can't afford it.

I'm sure all those using food banks will be pleased to know it's not because there is a food shortage, it's simply that they can't afford it

Meh. They'll freeze first anyway as energy prices will go up...

Or alternatively animal welfare and food safety standards will massively decline Or alternatively animal welfare will increase, we will import food from countries that have food standards similar to ours and food prices will go down.

Or alternatively, pigs from Australia might sprout wings and fly to the U.K.

So this US trade deal we're all supposed to be pinning our hopes on. You think the UK is in a position to force the US to increase their food safety and animal welfare standards to UK/EU levels rather than having to swallow the much lower US standards?

Or in other words, what bolshy said.

Fortunately we are leaving the EU so our options are to either do a good deal with them or walk away. Either way we will be able to work with the rest of the world and we will have our independence back. A win win for us and our children

Why fortunately?
We are already able to work with the rest of the world.
You see independence, I see isolation. Can I ask in what way have you missed independence so much that you are prepared to risk our economic security, our relations with our neighbours and the many rights we enjoy as EU citizens?

I Totally Believe that we will (a) get the bigly bestest trade deal with our special friends the US and (b) this will result in the bigly bestest standards in food and animal welfare.

twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/823816110227259392

For insight into an "America First" trade deal, U.S. farming economist Bob Young makes the case for chlorine/soaked chicken on #r4today

Young, chief economist at American Farm Bureau Federation, says no problem with chlorine chicken, because there's chlorine in swimming pools

Speaking of deals with the US you'll have seen that Theresa May is happy to include the NHS?...

So this US trade deal we're all supposed to be pinning our hopes on. You think the UK is in a position to force the US to increase their food safety and animal welfare standards to UK/EU levels I am not pinning my hopes on a US trade deal, remember we expected to be at the back of the US queue. The US visit just happens to be in the news today.

FYI: EU standards dos not always mean better. eg there is zero evidence over decades that GM food is bad. Leaving the EU and having the option of using GM foods could easily lower food prices and still keep food standards high.

We are already able to work with the rest of the world
We can work with them but not do trade deals and set our own tariffs or regulations etc.

Can I ask in what way have you missed independence so much that you are prepared to risk our economic security I missed independence when the EU courts started overruling the UK courts. When we were asked to bail out other EU countries who had over spent. When we weren't allowed to stop millions migrating here. When an EU army was proposed, When direct EU taxes where proposed.... I could go on. And you are presupposing we are risking our economic security, its equally as economically risky staying in the EU. So its a risk either way.

Oh no, terrible idea.

We must devote ourselves to getting out and getting the deal.

Our only choice is to stay in the EU or you will be forced to drink Chinese milk. Oh its torture, luckily the UK has never had a food scandal halo. Whats that you say Dobby the horse, all your friends were eaten, who would do something like that sad?

The EU has far higher standards on food apparently - but that's on paper because apparently the actual farms just flout the regs....

www.farmersforbritain.co.uk/our-issue-with-the-eu

www.arc2020.eu/2014/01/pig-industry-blatantly-flouting-european-law/

"In 2013, Compassion in World Farming (CIWF) inspected 45 big pig farms in six member states: Spain, Italy, the Czech Republic, Ireland, Poland and Cyprus. Of the 45 farms, 44 were breaking rules on enrichment provision and tail docking, “blatantly flouting European law"

"These breaches have been reported to the European Commission but no action has yet been taken. Mr. Stevenson of CIWF added: “The European Union’s collective failure to act on these breaches is an inexcusable mockery of the legal system. Why create a law if not to enforce it? We will continue to urge the Member States and the Commission to belatedly enforce the Pigs Directive, and await an adequate response from the President to our letters.”

The rules get flouted, and you don't like that, so you want to get rid of the rules? Brilliant.

You cant accuse non EU countries of not following the rules and then dismiss the fact that EU countries dont follow the rules.

Do you mean me? I've neither accused them nor dismissed anything.

"The rules get flouted, and you don't like that, so you want to get rid of the rules? Brilliant."

Yes

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So if other countries flout EU laws on animal welfare, and I can believe that they do, how will the UK withdrawal stop them? This is assuming that we enforce the laws strictly; we won't be around to say, "Look we are part of the EU and we are able to enforce the law, so why can't you?" We might just as well say "whatever".

I missed independence when the EU courts started overruling the UK courts. When we were asked to bail out other EU countries who had over spent. When we weren't allowed to stop millions migrating here. When an EU army was proposed, When direct EU taxes where proposed.... I could go on. And you are presupposing we are risking our economic security, its equally as economically risky staying in the EU. So its a risk either way.

Which court cases bothered you? It has been agreed we would not have to contribute to any more Eurozone bail outs. We had the power to veto an EU army. Most people would agree that to remain would have been less risky than to Leave. Has EU u migration negatively impacted on your life? We were the 5th largest economy, we were doing well. We are throwing it away.

If animal welfare was such a big factor among so many leavers, could someone tell May that it wasn't all about freedom of movement after all?