Have you/ your family discussed any potential post-Brexit 'Plan Bs'?

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It's hard to predict what might happen over the next couple of years, so over the last month we've been thiking about the best way to keep our options open, and we've done the following:

• investigated family heritage for European links. DH's Polish background is too far back, but my Scottish grandfather would likely make me eligible for dual Scottish Nationality in the event of Scotland gaining independence.

-researched our potential eligibility to move to/work/retire in Canada, New Zealand, Australia

• investigated buying small properties in Scotland or France

Several of our friends in dual nationality families have been applied for EU passports for their babies/children.

Has anyone else been making any plans?

In future it is possible that the rights that people from all of the UK enjoy in Ireland, become restricted to only people from NI and possibly a deal with scotland. ENGLAND might find itself left out of it!

Then you don't mean England, you mean England and Wales.

BTW I don't think any such exclusion would be driven by Ireland! that would be a crazy move for them, however, if the British home office doesn't write in their "special arrangement" as an exception post brexit, then Ireland probably will have to mirror that as these things work on reciprocity, and in turn, ENGLAND and probably Wales (NI and any scotish deal residence may have exceptions written in) won't find themselves written in as a visa exception category in Ireland

I think the UK is more likely to end up like Norway, relatively open borders

England cannot mirror Norway for a variety of reasons, one being that most property in Norway I believe is Norweigan owned!
Here, a lot of property (and half of London) is already owned by RICH foreigners.. so it's a bit late to be all "Britain is for the benefit of the British" for the start, and secondly it means that britains immigration policies will continue to favour the rich

Fruitbox :"For those who are applying for dual citizenships, do you have active connections and language skills for the countries in question? "

I don't have an active connection to Germany and my German is limited to GCSE

But we are entitled to be naturalised German citizens because my grandfather had his German citizenship revoked by the Nazi regime.

They fled a nationalist, xenophobic, racist country that didn't want 'others'

Wheels of history, anyone?

I also have observed another feeling emerging: some of my Remain friends planning for abroad if Brexit goes ahead have become kind of wary of this whole drama and have told me they will leave anyway now because "it's not worth it to work in a society that voted Leave on immigration" something like this.
I am confused about this though. I never even considered I would die elsewhere.

That's how I feel Valentine - mine and DHs jobs aren't in the at risk category for brexit, I imagine it'll be hard, prices up, no promotions for a while, but we would probably be able to plod along, or mortgage isn't unmanageable even if things get tighter etc

But why would we want to continue to build a life here now?

For those who are applying for dual citizenships, do you have active connections and language skills for the countries in question?

Yes in our case, because we live outside the UK already. It doesn't insulate us from brexit - expecially financially, I have a lot of money in the UK that I now wish I had moved, plus an occupational pension - but it does make everything else easier. We are all bilingual except DD who is trilingual. DH and I both have fairly portable jobs.

Ewww
I suspect DH is inclined towards this too though he hasn't said anything openly yet. But to be fair it will be hard work to make a move like this. I also like to see the positive side usually: if A50 is blocked somehow, may be it means we are not totally mental yet and there is hope?

It's also totally possible that we will leave the EU but retain freedom of movement in return for single market access.

Looked into the possibility of EU passports for my children, not possible sadly. Researched moving to ROI as I think they would be the least likely of the EU countries to boot us out post Brexit, thought we could live there long enough for the children to get Irish citizenship. This is also a non starter for us. We don't have much money and not easily transferable skills, also we're both late 40s. Pissed off. The rich are going to be fine in this, people like us are left with very few or no options though. Found out last week that my job is funded by the EU as well. :( Have to listen to my racist elderly relatives going on about how they have been proven right and 'they'll (anyone foreign) all be sent packing now'.

would you feel like you were leaving a lot behind here, would you be sad to go?

Yes we would feel sad to leave fruitbox as we have built our lives here in every way, but to be honest we (especially me) are feeling increasingly uncomfortable about the "Real People vs Elites" angry rhetoric permeating the country.

I should probably explain that I was an immigrant, came to study decades ago and fell in love with an Englishman. We're both scientists, with specialisms in what turned out particularly "hot" subjects. The upshot is that in many ways our little family probably embody many of the loathed characteristics of the metropolitan liberal elite and expert - and me and the DC wear our "otherness" on our faces every day.

It's also totally possible that we will leave the EU but retain freedom of movement in return for single market access.

I don't think this is true. It's becoming increasingly clear that this was about nothing other than immigration and plenty of people I know think stopping in is worth any price. Also loads of people have publicly said they don't want to deport people already here, this is not my experience, privately lots of people I know have said that they DO want to deport people who live here. They would be absolutely livid if FOM was retained, can you imagine the Mail headlines if that was on the cards.

While not disagreeing with the points you make fake, I cant see how they entirely remove the possibility of retaining free movement in some capacity. Especially now we're going to have parliamentary scrutiny.

Sorry, I didn't read the full thread keep getting distracted by the shleb one but interested if anyone is in a similar position to us. Both DH and I are Irish and actually planning on buying soon in England. Came here 8 yrs ago for DH's uni and ended up settling. Our job prospects at home aren't great, unless we live in Dub, which is not what we want and hopefully it won't come to that.
I think it's hard to make plans when we're all so in the dark about what's going to happen though. We were planning on withdrawing our savings in Irl to help fund our mortgage deposit, but now I'm thinking that it's best to have some euros put by, just in case.
Conversely, I'm more concerned about what impact Brexit will have on home, I think it's just clearer that NI and the border counties are inevitably going to suffer. I'm glad that the borders and checkpoints are just a vague memory for me, it's scary that the next generation will have to experience them again. It's almost like we were granted a reprieve for a few years.
Future DC will have dual citizenship. And hopefully much more respect of the value of migrants than some people.

Personally in your position NotAMammy I'ld spread my savings so the risk isn't all Euro or all Sterling.

Personally, I probably wouldn't buy, not right now, we're not moving up the ladder right now as it's too uncertain and we don't want to end up trapped in something that doesn't work post-brexit.

Have you applied for your EEA(PR) - even with a soft brexit I think places such as NHS facilities will start asking for British passports or PR cards and if that comes in you wont' be able to get one instantly, it's a longish application process.

Once you have an EEA(PR) you can look into naturalisation.. only after that would I re-visit the buying here plans if I were you

Wow this thread is making me feel I should be making more plans to leave the country. As it is my only plan so far is to apply for German citizenship under the provisions made for descendants of Jews and others who had their citizenship stripped from them by the Nazis (already mentioned up thread) but I do think I intend to live in Germany (can't speak the language for a start, I just want to retain EU citizenship).

I can totally understand wanting to leave the country but at the same time I don't want to - it's my home and I want the tolerant future looking uk back!! DH has family in Australia and he would love to live there again (we did briefly about 10 years ago) but I am not so keen I have to say, too far from Europe for me

I'm Irish (as in, ROI) living in NI for 9 years, married to NI DH. Many forget (including most in NI!) that dual citizenship in NI doesn't work both ways, and so we're keeping an eye and considering whether I need to apply for British citizenship. Which I don't particularly want.

For now we're assuming the common travel area between the UK and Ireland will remain in some format (consequences for NI surely too severe for it not to) and so haven't done anything yet.

For those positing that NI could have a different relationship with Ireland than Britain - I can't see that happening if it in any way removes or distances NI from the rest of the UK. It's not like that would go down well with unionists here!

Many forget (including most in NI!) that dual citizenship in NI doesn't work both ways what do you mean

NotAMammy, how would your future DCs have dual citizenship? A child born to 2 Irish parents in GB is Irish and not automatically entitled to be British, not since the 80s when that all changed. (as far as I know)

I lived in Australia, NZ, Asia and loved it. But I found my new home and could not be happier. Ireland.

It's not like that would go down well with unionists here! I think a lot of things will happen that "won't go down well" with a lot of people, think a lot of things already have

YuckYuck sorry, badly phrased. As you will know, people born in NI have dual Irish and British citizenship. My DH, his family and many of my friends see themselves as Irish not British and so don't think of me as an immigrant. Even though I am of course, as someone born in ROI I only have Irish citizenship. My legal position is no different to that of my sister living in London.

Many conversations about immigrants have carried on in my presence lately that surely would not have done had my accent or skin colour not been such a good fit...

When did "immigrant" become negative and not just factual? Sigh.

Well yes YuckYuck. But when I say things won't go down with people here, I don't mean they will write angry articles or vote against a political party. Removing NI from the UK in any sense has implications for peace just as a hard border with Ireland would.

(NI= fucked, imo)

A child born to an Irish citizen parent in the UK will be British at birth. This is because Irish citizens acquire Indefinite Leave to Remain as soon as they arrive in the UK. And a child born in the UK to a parent who has ILR will be British, because ILR is deemed 'settled'. It's true that birth in the UK doesn't automatically entitle a child to be a British citizen, one of their parents has to have settled status. But all Irish citizens do have it.