Have you/ your family discussed any potential post-Brexit 'Plan Bs'?

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It's hard to predict what might happen over the next couple of years, so over the last month we've been thiking about the best way to keep our options open, and we've done the following:

• investigated family heritage for European links. DH's Polish background is too far back, but my Scottish grandfather would likely make me eligible for dual Scottish Nationality in the event of Scotland gaining independence.

-researched our potential eligibility to move to/work/retire in Canada, New Zealand, Australia

• investigated buying small properties in Scotland or France

Several of our friends in dual nationality families have been applied for EU passports for their babies/children.

Has anyone else been making any plans?

Plan b is done - dd and dh now have german passports. But aside from keeping dd's options open for when she is older (and possibly making travelling more easier depending upon what sort of deal we get) I'm not sure how much we'll benefit from them if we stay living in the UK outside of the EU. Part of me would like to move but it would be difficult to work especially as we aren't fluent in another eu language. But I'm pleased that we will still have the option of the situation should arise. As a non-EU spouse of am EU citizen I will be eligible for residency and work permit should we have a harsh brexit.

It could give Scotland a real boost - younger better educated people moving there.

Ha ha ha ha ha. Yes, of course, we're all old and uneducated. FFS I've read it all now 🙄

What are the options for people without foreign (EU) ancestry? I guess they are stuck here whatever happens post-Brexit?

Retrain in a "wanted" trade of profession so that if you want to work/move abroad in the future, you have more visa points

Get the next educatiton level up for same reason ^

Save, find a way to have money in other forms: gold/foreign currency

stockpile stuff/prep

Move off grid within the uk, become more self sufficient, grow/raise food & generate own energy

learn other major languages so you can work abroad if needed

I find deserting your own country an act of a coward

Creepy and disturbing.

in 15-20 years time the EU is no more, Portugal, Ireland, Spain or Greece are bankrupt (don't forget the bail out money some have received). With it comes a high unemployment rate, no public money - benefits- you or your children will be living literally on the streets. You have a chat with some friends/ relatives and find out, that the England is doing ok. Obviously, you want to get back... problem is, you have been out of work on and off for the last 5 years and Britain has now a points system for migrants

God, is that you?

you gave up your citizen ship volatility

Generally you don't have to give up UK citizenship to take up another nationality so people could always return whenever they want (although possibly it would be consistent with your very enlightened thinking to press for a change here).

I said nothing about the old - I am old in MN terms - it's more likely to be the young who get up and leave, and it's more likely to be the better educated because they have more choices.

But read what you want into a statement... it's your prerogative.

Ylvamoon

Britain allows dual citizenship, so unless you're applying in a country that doesn't, you don't have to burn your Britain bridge!

For a lot of people also, it's not just about opportunities, it's also about not wanting to live in a Brexitey/Trumpey type of society, I know theres a right wing element in a lot of other countries, but some less than others

What are the options for people without foreign (EU) ancestry? I guess they are stuck here whatever happens post-Brexit?

Pretty much. If we do actually lose freedom of movement that is, which isn't a given by any means. There are some countries, including at least one in the EU, where it's effectively possible to buy citizenship. So the super rich should be ok. Everyone else would be well advised to go sooner rather than later, while you still have your EU citizenship and freedom of movement rights. And to look into possible citizenship through one's spouse. You don't always have to be living in a country to be eligible through marriage.

I find deserting your own country an act of a coward.

I don't give a fuck what you think.

You and your children won't qualify for a British Passport as you gave up your citizen ship volatility.

That's not the way it works. You don't have to surrender your British citizenship in order to obtain another: our law allows dual nationality.

The thing about Scotland wanting and needing more younger and better educated people isn't news. That's why the Scottish government wanted to keep the Post Study Work visa when the UK Home Office abolished it: as a useful vehicle to keep exactly that type of person.

Yuck Yes people like me & my husband will be ok (we tick most of your suggestions, in spades) and are putting plans in place. We're not going to rush, timescale will be a few years - unless things get nastier for "citizens of the world" who are looking increasingly like they will be the scapegoats of choice.

I feel for those who don't have our options though.

The attitude of Ylvamoon and other similar posters is why the UK seems to me to be changing, lurching further and further to the right. Look at the recent attacks on the judges in the A50 case, called traitors. The increase in hate crime and racist comments - this doesn't seem like the country I grew up in.

It could give Scotland a real boost - younger better educated people moving there

You do realise we actually have educated young people in Scotland don't you? What a bloody rude post.

You do realise we actually have educated young people in Scotland don't you? What a bloody rude post.

Did I say you didn't have? Wouldn't you like some more? Young well educated people give a boost to economies. Similarly communities where the young emigrate, leaving behind the elderly, stagnate.

You have chosen to take the hump for your own reasons.

What happens to those without rights to EU citizenship? Well if you have the money and/or skills, qualifications etc. they need most other countries in the world, EU or non EU, will accommodate you. We already have permanent residency in one non EU country That is certainly how my DCs and their peers are planning their future elsewhere. Opportunities in Science are drying up, EU scientists are leaving and taking their research with them so young people will go where the opportunities are, as young doctors and nurses are already doing.

DH and I are also looking in detail at which country we will move to outside the EU after retirement, we plan to rent in several options and then decide.

Funnily enough an expat friend's parents retired back to Lincolnshire ten years ago. Although her father is white British, her mother is not and they experienced such nasty narrow minded unfriendliness /low level racism that they took advantage of the silver hair scheme in Malaysia and have been happily settled there ever since. I suppose we are all now seeing this narrow mindedness come out into the open.

I don't know about traitors but if you are made to feel that others are betraying the values of fairness, equality, tolerance, inclusivity, that made the UK a place I was proud to live in as well as our universities, science communities and other businesses that contributed to the competitiveness and vibrancy of our economy then I don't think calling our young people traitors is going to stop them turning the lights out as they leave.....

See my previous post justcallmekate. The idea that Scotland would benefit from more younger and well qualified people choosing to move there is pretty well established by now. Alex Salmond said around the time of the referendum that Scotland would need an extra 20,000 immigrants a year. And naturally, they would prefer those immigrants to be younger and well qualified, as most countries do, because those are the people you get most contributors out of. It's just demography.

I don't necessarily share the view that Scotland is likely to benefit from this, since if it were to be independent it would necessarily have very close ties with rUK, to the extent that if rUK's economy tanked there would obviously be an impact on iScotland. But it's not rude to point out something that politicians and policymakers have been aware of for a long time.

Having applied for both Irish and EEA spousal visas Yuk in the last 7 years I've just looked at the change in requirement now for an Irish visa. Disappointed as it means you have to have a job before returning or only one of you can work.

I wasn't thinking at all of old people in my original post, but now I am thinking of older, maybe stupid, people being left behind in England when the younger ones get up and leave. (DH and myself excepted, of course ).

I expect my own DCs to leave England - where to is up for debate at the moment.

Well said ron!

Having applied for both Irish and EEA spousal visas Yuk in the last 7 years I've just looked at the change in requirement now for an Irish visa. Disappointed as it means you have to have a job before returning or only one of you can work

& England's "special arrangement" isn't written into any of the visa requirement exeptions in the requirements
At the moment England is included in the EU freedom of movement exception, but once it isn't, there isn't actually anything written in to provide for any english special arrangement in the actual visa application process publications..

We don't know yet how (if at all) it'll be written in after brexit, I think people should prepare for the possibility that it just won't and british spouses will have to go throug the non EU route, which is tough unless you're in a well paid job and have money

I'm well aware hyacinth I do live here after all. Alex Salmond talks out of a hole in his arse IMO as does Sturgeon.

I find it amusing that people are now considering coming to live in Scotland given there's no decision on another referendum.