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TM expects UK to play full part in EU "until Brexit"

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LurkingHusband · 21/10/2016 10:15

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37710786

And, if the EU27 say "va te faire voir" ?

It's almost too embarrassing to be British ...

OP posts:

Kaija · 22/10/2016 20:51

Kitty, I think if you had seen BBC Question Time this week you would understand where jaws is coming from. London feels like a safer place just now than some other parts of the country (not all of course), although there is a rise in racist incidents here too.

KittyLacey · 22/10/2016 21:44

I saw Question Time. It was hateful but you could easily fill a BBC audience with Londoners with exactly the same views as the ones in the Hartlepool studio.

Kaija · 22/10/2016 23:12

Well you could, but you would have to look a lot harder to find them.

KittyLacey · 23/10/2016 04:12

Kaija - no you wouldn't. The BBC researchers are adept at filling their studios with members of the public who'll mouth off. They wanted to portray Hartlepool in a certain way - they could do exactly the same with Islington or Richmond..

Peregrina · 23/10/2016 09:05

There was such an air of panic during the summer, starting with Cameron's immediate resignation as PM.

IMO, it would have been so much better, for him to have stayed in the short term and to have recalled Parliament, to have a debate solely on the Brexit issue, and have a proper free vote debate. Then perhaps announce an enquiry to examine the options. It would have meant facing down the Eurosceptics, but it would have been worth doing.

Instead, we have had 4 months of muddle and incompetence and a nasty racist spirit unleashed, aided by the whole tone of the Tory party Conference.

Kaija · 23/10/2016 09:26

You might be right, Peregrina, although iirc he said (idiotically) that he would trigger art 50 immediately following a vote to leave, so this would likely have been a major problem whether he had followed through on it or not.

smallfox2002 · 23/10/2016 13:56

"The BBC researchers are adept at filling their studios with members of the public who'll mouth off. They wanted to portray Hartlepool in a certain way - they could do exactly the same with Islington or Richmond.."

Sorry that's just tosh. Hartlepool voted leave by 70%, the audience represented the town.

KittyLacey · 23/10/2016 14:42

It didn't represent every town outside London, though!

smallfox2002 · 23/10/2016 14:50

But you can see why so many London folk are happy they live there. Massively more tolerant and integrated than a lot.of places outside!

GreenishMe · 23/10/2016 17:05

But you can see why so many London folk are happy they live there. Massively more tolerant and integrated than a lot.of places outside!

Oh yeah...we've seen so much London folk tolerance on here.

smallfox2002 · 23/10/2016 18:04

I don't think intolerance of others intolerance is a bad thing.

Bearbehind · 23/10/2016 18:22

I'm quite disappointed that trying hasn't been back to explain how we can stop paying our subs and get out now

Corcory · 23/10/2016 19:19

Going back to the op's post. I agree with Trying in that TM wants to ensure that the UK are included in any meetings or talks regarding current issues. Which I feel is only reasonable. I'm sure Trying was just feeling frustrated when she said we should stop paying and just leave. I don't think she really needs to explain herself. Just as the others who described the Brexiters as us wanting to leave the brownies aren't going to go into any detail on here as to why they say that.

Bearbehind · 23/10/2016 19:44

I'm more then happy to go into that detail corcory

I used the analogy of leaving the brownies to leaving the EU to prove they are not remotely comparable.

We are contractually obliged to honour the 2 years after a50 is invoked- that's the rules.

We can't just run away with our ball, not least because the EU have plenty of replacement balls and don't really give a shit about playing with our ball.

Anyone arrogant enough to think we can still call the shots while we're on our way out typifies the delusional mentality of Leave voters IMO.

WhenSheWasBadSheWasHorrid · 23/10/2016 19:56

I loved the analogy quoted on radio 4. It was something like

"Britain is like a husband who has just decided he wants to separate from his wife. But he expects martial relations to continue until the divorce is finalised"

Bearbehind · 23/10/2016 20:04

The damage that can be done by a spurned women with her estranged husband's cock in her hand is limitless

Tryingtosaveup · 23/10/2016 21:23

i did not say we could or should call the shots until we leave.
I said we should be involved in discussing issues that will concern us UNTIL we leave. Obviously we are paying our dues so expect to be involved in discussing issues that concern us.
For me they go together.
If they won't let us play with the ball then we don't need to pay for the ball.

smallfox2002 · 23/10/2016 21:28

Which shows your misunderstanding of the game.

You know we'll be paying into the EU even after we're out right?

prettybird · 23/10/2016 21:31

Trying is correct: we could indeed invoke A50 immediately and stop paying our dues. After all, A50 says up to 2 years. Why should we continue paying in to this "club" when we don't want to play any more.

Of course, that would be the hardest of Hard Brexit exits and we would immediately revert to WTO tariffs (if they even allow us in straight away), encounter NTBs and the banks would immediately lose their financial passports.

But at least we could keep the EU immigrants out.

As well as send all the EU citizens currently residing in the UK "home" and expect all the "expats" to be returned back to the UK.

But we'd have our sovereignty back.

Woop. De. Doo.

smallfox2002 · 23/10/2016 21:33

Oh and we'll still be paying our divorce settlement for a few years too!

EleanorRigby123 · 23/10/2016 21:42

It's tantamount to telling your spouse of 40 years that you have decided to end the relationship, will serve divorce papers in March with a view to the decree absolute coming through two years later...but in the interim we will carry on living in the marital home, eat, sleep and go on holiday together as if nothing has happened.... really?

Peregrina · 23/10/2016 23:28

I understood that once Art 50 was invoked, it was a matter of decided how various things were split - like who pays pensions to UK citizens serving in EU organisations. Boring stuff like that, but of vital importance to the individuals concerned.

Just walking away would be a bit like saying we're getting divorced, but we haven't sorted out what to do about the house, or where the children will live.

ojalele · 23/10/2016 23:30

I'm an EU citizen. My country stands to lose quite a bit of trade when the UK leaves. I want the EU to begotiate what is best for ly country and to govern the EU in my country's interests. I don't want the UK to be at the EU table with a different agenda!
The money the UK pays is to be part of the EU schemes and access to the free market. It is not for a spot at the table that decides the future of the EU IF your agenda is not to make the EU better and stronger, which it isn't... Own bed... Sleep in it.... (Sorry 48%, I wish it were different)

ojalele · 23/10/2016 23:31

Arg - fat EU fingers!
Negotiate
My

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